Phil Lilley

You've got some great spots to fish there close to Rolla. Glad you found us... we can help.

This chart is also located with the water level charts at the link above all forums. http://ozarkanglers.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17240

http://www.swl-wc.usace.army.mil/WCDS/plots/Web/trdo.htm Here's what Shane sent me (fisheries biologist for Taney). He said DO isn't low enough to stress out fish, as you can tell from the chart. He said the dead fish were probably trapped in low water and died from heat or depleted O2. He said to call his office at 417-334-4859- it's right up by the hatchery.

You should spend a lot of time on the internet researching different places. There are alot of them. http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/ Here's a good forum used by alot of AK people. I've used it frequently.

I got a call into MDC to see what the levels are right now. I doubt if they're that bad, this early.

You should call MDC. Call the home office in Springfield at 417-895-6880. Ask for someone in fisheries and tell them exactly what you saw. Don't exaggerate the numbers... not saying you are at all, they just need to know exactly what happened. I wouldn't think the DO levels would be low enough to kill anything right now. The levels don't drop till later in September. But that's where the levels would be the lowest - away from the hatchery outlets. They could have died earlier when the water dropped and they could have been trapped in a pool. Unfortunate regardless.

Thanks Eric. You beat me to it.

It's not new news . . . it's the news media trying to drum up something. But it is a problem that one day may be fixed but with the money crunch our country is in, don't look for a fix anytime soon unless someone with a few million wants to do it.

The funny thing about this article... they talk about the DO "problem" like it's a recent thing. It's not. We've had it since the dam was built. Each year we go thru the same thing. The FED could may be not FIX the problem but they could just inject more liquid O2 into the water and keep the level at 6 ppm instead of 4 ppm but they won't. The last 2 fall seasons, the DO and temp have been pretty extreme but look at the trout in the lake today- big, fat, hard fighting. Biggest they been in 30 years or more. So low DO isn't a BIG problem... it's so good cause the water has been RUNNING for almost 3 years straight. Moving water helps food and helps trout - period. So minimum flow increase would help trout growth.

Trout choking on dam water in Lake Taneycomo Trout in the waters below Table Rock Dam face an invisible menace that even threatens the local economy. By Wes Johnson - News-Leader • August 15, 2010 Lake Taneycomo -- Shrouded by a layer of early-morning mist, David Pietzel cast his fly far into the quiet water of Lake Taneycomo Thursday morning, just below Table Rock Dam. The Solon, Iowa, fly fisherman regularly makes the trip to catch and release big brown and rainbow trout stocked by the thousands in the lake. "I don't go unless there's fish," Pietzel said. "Today I saw a 24-incher that kept hitting my feet when I stirred up the bottom." But there's trouble in Pietzel's fishing paradise. Cold water pouring through power-generating turbines at Table Rock Dam frequently lacks enough oxygen in late summer and fall to keep the trout healthy in downstream Lake Taneycomo. Because of the low oxygen levels, Lake Taneycomo has been declared an "impaired waterway" since 2008. The problem threatens Taneycomo's multimillion dollar trout fishery, and the federal Environmental Protection Agency now wants Missouri to do something about it. Last week, the Missouri Department of Natural Resources began seeking public comment on ways to get more oxygen into the trout habitat. The low-oxygen problem and some potential solutions are detailed in a 90-page DNR report. DNR has to forward a final report, including public comments, to EPA by the end of the year. "The fish don't eat" Shane Bush, a Missouri Department of Conservation fisheries biologist, said low oxygen levels are a real problem for trout. At the Shepherd of the Hills Hatchery adjacent to Table Rock Dam, a large tank of liquid oxygen already is in place to oxygenate water the hatchery uses from the dam. Hatchery water then flows into nearby Lake Taneycomo. "In October and November, when oxygen in water from the dam is typically at its lowest, fish congregate at our hatchery water outflows," Bush said. "It's not an exaggeration -- it looks like you can walk across the backs of those fish that are there breathing oxygen we diffused into our water." Bush said trout need water with at least 6 parts per million of oxygen to thrive. In late summer and fall, water coming out of Table Rock Dam can drop as low as two parts per million or less. "The fish don't eat," he said. "It affects how quick they grow and they get really lethargic. Fish that are hooked won't fight well, and if they're released they're usually exhausted to the point they may not recover. They often die." The problem vanishes during winter, when oxygen- rich surface water at Table Rock Lake sinks and mixes with the deep oxygen-depleted water. "It gets up to 10 or 12 parts per million in February through March," Bush said. "You'll really notice the difference in how hard a fish fights. They also look a lot healthier and fatter." That's the kind of fish Pietzel, the Iowa angler, is looking for. $15 million in "trout money" He said he'll spend about $3,000 during his weeklong fishing expedition at Taneycomo, "trout money" that ripples through the southwest Missouri economy. In 2004, the Missouri Department of Conservation concluded that the trout fishery contributes nearly $15 million a year to the local economy. "It's a very big deal for us, it's what keeps us going," said Wanda Wilson, who runs Ozark Trout Resort with her husband near Branson. Many of Wilson's customers come from neighboring states "because we're an affordable destination in this rough economy," she said. Although trout fishing has been great so far this year, Wilson said she supports anything that would improve the quality of the Taneycomo trout fishery and keep anglers coming back.

http://naknekrivercamp.com It's a friend's camp in SW AK. Excellent price. Not the greatest camp but the people are great and so is the fishing. You get to see places for basically the price of your stay that others have to pay extra for by boating to places in the area instead of flying (from camp). He does book up a year ahead though so you have to ask what dates are open for next year. Look at the calendar - you can tell when to go to fish for the species of fish you want - rainbow, char, graying, kings, sockeye, silvers. Bill and I are planning on offering some trips next year as well. But the price will be higher than Jim's. I think his is $2295 for a week that includes basically everything but equipment, fishing license and tips. Ours will be pushing $4000, mainly because we don't have a lodge or cabins... we have to pay for all that ourselves.

Eric- thank you! You too, Chief. Good post to end on I think.

This is one of those times where I'm in a quandary to what to do. This discussion has been civil up to now and those of you that have been down this road before on the forum, I congratulate you on your responses. They've been respectful. But if goes down the road of personal, directed statements about "the good, the bad and the ugly" . . . then we best go back to fishing and end this topic. WDJD? He loves Eric.

In any of my statements here, I am referring only to myself. That's what I consider in my life. I would consider my life to be meaningless if I were to turn from the God I know, presently in my life.

Evil is the absence of love. God is love. Evil is the absence of God. By man's choice, he turns his heart from God, against God and evil follows. There are many questions I have about the things you've mentioned. But I do chose to believe in a loving God. To not do so leaves this life meaningless and any life after, hopeless.

It said, "Guns and Roses" instead of "Guns and Hoses".

I was tempted to leave the title... got more attention. But I changed it.

Half way thru reading this, I thought, "This is missing something . . . where's the politics?" Then, there it was! I've been so super swamped lately that I haven't been reading much of the forum. Have a nephew getting married tomorrow and lots of family coming to town including all my kids - yea! I wish I had time to address some of this stuff. Right off the top of my head- animal cruelty is viewed differently in every culture. You won't see PETA go over seas and preach cruelty in countries who don't have enough to eat and are dying of starvation saying "don't eat your dogs!" It's easy to sit and judge when you aren't in the same cultural circumstances. BUT, I couldn't watch that video. There's stuff like that going on around here with animals not being taken care of. It's wrong. It's sickening. As for the Bible says about eating animals including fish, there are books out basically backing up the Word's assertion on healthy and unhealthy meats to eat based on science and Biblical writings and they pretty much agree. God had a two fold purposed when he said don't eat pork. It's unclean cause "I" said so and cause it's bad for you. Sin - is separation from a man and God. It's not necessarily an act. But if you're guilty of one thing, one act, one definitive "sin", you are guilty of the whole law. If you speed, you're a law breaker and guilty until a price is paid and you're exonerated. Even by you're own set of morals, you break one, once, and then you forgive yourself? You pay a price? By who's authority are you forgiven? Take God out of the picture and it's a guessing game. How's right and wrong? Put God in the picture and play by who's rules? Partly ours and partly Gods. Take the ones we like from God's - the prosperity, blessings and healing and leave the stuff we don't like or understand. Christians, pretend-Christians and non-Christians do it all the time. We all do it, even those of us in leadership - knowingly and unknowingly. I can't tell anyone how to live his life. Paul lived his life and said, look - follow me as I follow Christ. Knowing what I know about Jesus, that is an earth-shattering statement, one that buckles my knees. I will not argue theories and religions here or face-to-face. I will not defend God because He needs no defending. He is God. But what I will strive to do is love and help my friends and people around me, I'll love and cherish my family, friends and others that are around me and love the Lord God with all my heart, soul and mind and with all my strength. I got to go clean rooms...

Thanks guys. It should be a great event again this year. We all were so amazed how much this event helped those guys last August. Just taking them fishing, being out on the water was the best medicine. Still have room for more anglers. Let me know.

2nd Annual Guns & Hoses Trout Fishing Tournament Benefits go to the Branson Fire & Police Auxiliary Fund Despite this summer’s heat, anglers are gearing up for the second annual Guns & Hoses Fishing Tournament on Lake Taneycomo next Saturday, Aug. 21. “Sixteen teams have already signed up,” Kory Klein, organizer, said of the two-man contest to support the Branson Fire and Police Auxiliary. “That’s pretty amazing since 18 teams competed last year and most signed up the day of the tournament.” The $75 entry fee per boat goes to support benevolence needs, not just for area police and firemen, but for others as well, Klein said. As examples, some area residents were helped with electric costs last winter, and the auxiliary aided an injured fireman with some bills and a policeman with a heater for his family’s home. Registration is open right up until 7:45 a.m. before the 8 a.m. start at Lilleys’ Landing Resort & Marina, at 367 River Lane off Fall Creek Rd. in Branson. The marina is offering half off all boat rentals for tournament participants, but those need to be reserved ahead of time by calling (417) 334-6380. Entry forms can be filled out and dropped off at Branson Fire Station 1 or mailed to Branson Fire and Rescue, attention Kory Klein, 110 Crosby St. Branson, MO 65616. Forms can also be requested through email at megan@lilleyslanding.com. All teams will receive a free raffle ticket for drawings, but those registering before the day of the tournament will receive an extra ticket. Additional raffle tickets are $5. Trophies will be awarded for first through third places and for the biggest fish. After the weigh-in at 2 p.m. at Lilleys’ Landing, Famous Dave’s will cater a free lunch for all participants outside on the resort grounds. Besides many local and out of town anglers, some firefighters have entered the tournament. Unfortunately other scheduled events for that Saturday will keep most police officers on the job rather than out enjoying the lake, Klein said. Still, he hopes a good turnout will encourage the officers. “We hope this will bring the community closer together with its police and firefighters,” Klein said, “ to see us in an informal setting and just have fun.” Klein can be reached at (417) 231-5343 for more information.

Words of the Day . . . Well more like words of the week for us. Our plans are changing each day it seems the last week. Bill has packed 6 containers full of fishing and camping gear. Our plan is to mail up 4 and take the other 2 on the plane with us. We trade emails about ten times a day--I'll share the last one from Bill on shipping vs check-ons: Here is an even better way to do it. Send up both of the Cabelas bags, the Rubbermaid Packer and the lighest of the Plano totes. Also weigh the heavest two if you can so we will know their exact weight each, not to exceed 50 pounds. Here is my reasoning. The 3rd. bag for one of us on our flight to Anchorage will be $50. It would then cost for that bag another $20 to get it on to Kotz. Total for the tote would be $70 and we would have to "Tote It." I am guessing it will be under that figure to send it or right around there and we wont have to mess with it. That will take us down to our carry-on's and two checkins each. Check-on luggage cost would then drop to a total of $122.00. It's tricky but Bill is great at figuring the best and cheapest way to get this stuff up there and back. I've been trying to find the best video camera to take up and for my usage down here and I think I've settled on a new Canon camera but it won't be out till September. So we're taking what we have - a GoPro, a Flip and my MiniDV video camera as well as buying a new Optio 90 for stills. There's a new panoramic camera out I'm going to look at too. Brian Wise has inspired me to learn how and shoot a bunch on my GoPro. I've order extra batteries. More to follow. . . we're still not sure where we're going our second week. King Salmon or Kodiak. We'll make our decision today.

<p><img src="http://forums.ozarkanglers.com/images/2010/8-7b_530.jpg" width="530" height="250"><br>After a searing week, the heat streak has broken, and we're seeing temperatures in the lower 90's with a nice breeze, too. Yes, that's actually cool, cooler than the triple digits we and most of the Midwest were enduring. But you know . . . trout fishing hasn't been all that bad, even through the hot weather. The water has been running almost every day, most of the time in the afternoons but lately in the mornings, too, which has kept the lake water nice and cool for our trout. Water temps have risen from the low 40's to 46 degrees right now -- still too cold for those tempted to jump in. Generation has been high in the afternoons, running up to four units. Lilleys Landing guests have still been out catching trout, but the best time has been early in the morning before the fog burns off.</p> <p>This fishing report could be a copy-and-paste of my last report. It's amazing how many nice rainbows keep coming out of the area between Fall Creek and Short Creek. Most of the fishing guides have gravitated to the same pattern: Head up to the trophy area and fish a jig-and-float for two hours to catch nice trophy rainbows, then head down out of the trophy area and fish night crawlers for rainbows the clients want to keep.</p> <p><img src="http://forums.ozarkanglers.com/images/2010/8-7a_250.jpg" width="250" height="167" hspace="5" vspace="5" align="right">I had a trip Thursday and again this morning, but we stayed below Fall Creek the entire time and fished night crawlers. On Thursday, we drifted crawlers on four-pound line with small bell weights (1/4-ounce) since two units were running. We used a small #8 bronze hook and shot a little air in the worm to make it float. We tried to stay in the middle of the lake and caught a couple of dozen rainbows. This morning they ran one unit for just a little bit. We started at 6 a.m., anchoring below Fall Creek about 800 yards in the middle of the lake. The trout bit well until the water started moving about 7:30 a.m.. We pulled the anchors and started floating. I thought the fishing would improve, but it actually slowed unusually. We made one slow drift down to Short Creek, then headed back up. As we started another drift, the water slowed. We dropped anchor, and after the current slowed to a crawl, we started catching fish again. The two boys ended up catching 25 rainbows, the biggest was 17 inches.</p> <p>Night crawlers are by far the best bait right now. Inject them with air and float them off the bottom about 12 to 18 inches.</p> <p>Above Fall Creek, a straight jig or jig and float is best. If you're using a jig and float, use two-pound line. If you're throwing a jig--1/8th-ounce to 1/16-ounce--you can get away with four-pound, but two-pound is still better. Since our water is clear, our trout are growing particular.</p> <p>For fly fishermen, the trout are starting to look up! Dry flies like beetles, hoppers, ants and midges are hot flies right now. When the water is down and when it's running just a bit, the spots along the bank's edge and under overhanging trees are best. Scuds are still the go-to fly on Taneycomo. When the water is off, you may have to drop to 7x tippet and #18 or #20 scuds, but when the water is running you can get away with 6x or even 5x tippet and #10- to #14-size scuds. Use them in gray, olive, tan or brown.</p> <p>Night fishing is great. Wade below the dam or get out in a boat. Both have been very good lately. The boat thing is tricky due to the lake fog every night, but when the moon gets brighter, you can make your way around fairly well. Dark 1/8th or 3/32nd-ounce jigs work best. Throw them straight and work them off the bottom, fishing from the dam to Fall Creek and even further down. When we fly fish, it's mainly in the shallow water below the dam so sink tips are not necessary. Weighted or unweighted dark wooly buggers, leeches, muddlers, streamers, PMS, pine squirrels, and hibernators are working great.</p>

There are 2 resorts on Lake Shore Drive for sale. Lake Shore Resort and the old Del Mar Resort. If you're interested, PM me and I'll put you in touch with someone who has it listed.

Nope... beginners luck? I listen to the news, watch the thread news on Market Watch. Seems like there's been trends where the stock will drop early in the am and then rise the rest of the day. We've bought stocks that really take a dive = 12-18% and then bounce back 3-5%. We're not looking for big gains... just enough to make alittle and cover our trade fees.

Report: Me and a friend opened an account at Scott Trade on July 1. We deposited $4000 initially- added another $2000 a couple of weeks later. As of today, our account is up to $6600. We've traded Ford, BP, San Disk, Harley Davidson, Halliburton, HSW International, Inc. and Compass Minerals International, Inc.. We're still sitting on Ford. I understand we've traded in primarily a bullish market so far... for the most part it's gone up. Our buy/sell trades are mainly same day making 2-3% on each trade. We had to learn about settling... we broke the rule the first time and got a warning.