Phil Lilley

#16. Hopefully I'm getting the Mustad substitute from Wapsi.

Marsha was saying at dinner that most of their leadership in gov't are feared dead. If they lose 100,000 people it would be like the US losing 3 million.

I honestly not sure how to unless it's to the Red Cross. I just hope the thugs who have the guns in Haiti let the relief people do what they can without bribes and stealing their supplies. Very bad situation, I agree. http://www.redcross.org/

I'm in. Jeremy Hunt is going to be tying on Tuesday nights here too so if you have something going Wednesday nights, we've got an alternate! He will post his class announcement shortly. We're also going to hold some classes on Saturday nights for guests here at the resort. Not sure when but we'll let you know. Of course it will be open to anyone.

If you find out anything more - details - email them to me and I'll post it on oa proper and the KY3 blog. Thanks

I guess these are out-of-production. For those who know hooks, what is the closest substitute?

http://outdoornews.com/articles/2009/12/18/national_news/doc4b2bd1c5aa223636050938.txt MI DNR: Internet speculation on St. Martin deer case overblown By Kevin Naze Contributing Writer Published: Friday, December 18, 2009 1:20 PM CST Menominee, Mich. - Photographs of an Upper Peninsula of Michigan island buck pole heavy with whitetail bucks that flew around Internet sites and e-mails captivated hunters across North America and sparked a debate as to their authenticity and circumstances surrounding the kills. While the photos are indeed real, some of the claims coming from the Nov. 19 “bust” on St. Martin Island – located just inside the Michigan/Wisconsin border where Green Bay waters meet Lake Michigan – are false, officials say. Outside of a small parcel near the lighthouse that is managed by the Little Traverse Bay Band of Odawa Indians, the approximately 21⁄4-mile-long by 11⁄4-mile-wide island is privately owned. At least two tribal hunters were involved, but the rest of the group were non-tribal hunters, and all had licenses. There were multiple citations for tagging violations, and warden discretion kept a number of individuals from potentially getting much harsher penalties, according to the Michigan DNR. The two photos seeing the widest circulation on hunting blogs and message boards across the World Wide Web include 31 bucks hanging on two large poles – all of the bucks are 7 points or larger – and were taken by a Michigan DNR conservation officer. They were meant to be shared only internally until the investigation was complete, but someone within the Michigan DNR leaked the photos. “With the Internet, once something gets out, it’s gone – there’s no stopping it,” said Michigan Conservation Officer Terry Short, of Menominee. After that happened, a member of the island camp posted another picture on a hunting site that shows more than 20 of the largest bucks along with 10 hunters, three DNR officers, and the Delta County sheriff’s deputy. Many of the hunters were smiling. The publicity generated around the globe was a major frustration for the family of a Wisconsin businessman who owns most of the island and has had trespassing issues through the years due to its remote location about six miles northeast of Wisconsin’s Rock Island off the tip of the Door County Peninsula. It is also near the Garden Peninsula in Michigan’s Delta County. The island’s owner has extensive Door County connections, including owning a Sister Bay business. His daughter, from Door County, said the family allowed an Upper Michigan caretaker and his friends to hunt on the island, but didn’t condone any illegal activity. She said the family had no other comment. A long boat ride Short wasn’t sure what to expect as he rode across bumpy seas during a 20-mile trip aboard a Delta County sheriff's department patrol boat aimed for St. Martin Island on Nov. 19. Acting on citizen concerns of possible illegal deer-hunting activity on the island during previous seasons, Short and two other DNR officers and a sheriff’s deputy surprised more than 20 hunters who were preparing to take their kills back to the Upper Michigan mainland. “It was pretty incredible, pretty impressive – something you didn’t really expect,” Short said, recalling his first look at the deer that were hanging. Two large poles held 31 bucks and nine does. Another 10 or so deer, antlers, and heads were found on the ground around the camp, mainly a mix of smaller bucks and does. “We didn’t have any problems,” Short said. “Some of the hunters were extremely cooperative. Some wanted as little contact as possible. That’s normal.” While the hunters had enough tags for the deer, some simply failed to tag them, Short said. By the time the investigation was completed, 11 citations for failure to tag a deer were written, a $144 fine in Delta County District Court. Michigan allows individual counties to set their own forfeiture amounts. Since the weather had been mild, Short was surprised that so many carcasses were still hanging on what was the fifth day of the Michigan firearms gun deer-hunting season. “It didn’t appear they were spoiling, though,” Short said. “At least I didn’t smell anything to indicate they were.” Short said there were “a fair number of wife and girlfriend tags” on deer, and the women weren’t on the island at the time. Officers who followed up learned that some said they were there, while some admitted they weren’t. If those hunters would have been cited for an illegal deer in Michigan, Short said they would have had to spend five days in jail, pay $1,000 restitution for the deer and up to $1,000 in additional fines, plus loss of firearm and hunting privileges. “That route wasn’t taken,” he said. Provided they purchase the licenses and comply with certain restrictions, deer hunters in Michigan can shoot two antlered bucks during the firearms season. Short said tribal members are allowed two bucks and three antlerless deer, in addition to any state licenses they might buy. Two hunters in the group were from Alaska, Short said; the rest were from Michigan. He called it “a lot of friends and family,” and believes only two were tribal members. Unique situation Short had seen some trophy buck photos from the island on the Internet in past seasons, and learned that the group was trying to manage for trophy deer. This was the year chosen to reduce the numbers, he said. “There are people who have large tracts of land (in the U.P.) that generate bucks like these (on St. Martin),” Short said. “It can be done individually in small areas. But it’s difficult to do over a large area like the Upper Peninsula.” Short said he didn’t know if the group made any large drives, but he did see extensive evidence that deer were being fed. “I understand they were basically stand hunters baiting the deer in,” Short said. “The browse lines were very high. I’m not sure how they maintained that many deer. It’s likely that this winter a lot of those deer would have just died.” A lack of predators and nowhere for the deer to go made it a unique situation, Short said. Due to the influence of wave action from Lake Michigan, the ice rarely firms up enough in winter for deer to make it to other islands or the mainland. It’s possible, he said, that some deer might swim from one island to another on occasion. A 13-year DNR employee, Short has seen the story heat up with a lot of misinformation on the Internet. He also heard that the hunters were culling what they believed to be the smaller bucks to allow the larger ones to grow bigger bodies and racks. Several years ago, all the bucks shot on the island reportedly weighed more than 200 pounds dressed. Many sported 10- and 12-point racks. St. Martin Island covers about 1,250 acres and most of it is owned by the St. Martin Partnership, which is a family ownership that goes back at least three generations, according to a Michigan DNR spokesperson. About 47 acres around the lighthouse is owned by the federal government, and 36 acres is owned by David Uihlein. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This last pic I just threw in... I got it a few weeks ago.

That's the most I've ever seen Duane post in one place... wow. Impressive! Yea- everyone wants my job lately... glad no one but me and Dano have passwords to the admin side of oaf - there'd be alot of fur flying!

Most were caught on jigs.

Started this morning with temps not as cold as predicted but still cold - 5 degrees. Water running. A slight breeze. 26 teams. I didn't talk to many but did talk to the first and third place finishers- both fished down. The winners fished at Powersite using jigs. 4th place Hinton and Sherman with 8.98 pounds 3rd place Hittler and Dietl with 9.48 pounds 2nd place Heinz and Woodruff with 10.64 pounds 1st place Brewer and Horst with 13.26 pounds Scoreboard Matt Horst with his big rainbow 6.14 pounds Released

Spanking is misunderstood by most. NEVER spank when you're mad/angry. Ever, ever, ever! Take a time out yourself and approach the situation when you've cooled down. ALWAYS when a parent spanks a child, the parent should have a tear in his/her eye or at least sorrow, not anger or even indifference. It should break your heart to spank your child. If it doesn't, something is wrong. If the child sees how much pain it causes the parent to punish, then the attitude is healthy, he/she won't do it again because he/she doesn't want to hurt the parent. Granted, my parents didn't necessarily do it right all the time and neither did we but not spanking but instead yelling, insults, threatening, physical abuse and verbal degrading are much worse "punishments" and will cause the kid to learn he's not worth anything. Bad thing about today's kids, parents and even now grandparents... they have no idea how to raise kids - they just do what their parents did and worse.

Killing whales for food? If the fishery is managed, and that's a big if considering enforcement, something we've hashed around here alot, whales, again IF there are enough to harvest, should be. They've been doing it for hundreds of years. I posted it because of the outlandish statements of the captain... "They ran into us. We weren't even moving. We were trying to get out of their way." Again, they're video shows them pulling right in the way, being careful just to put their pointy part of the boat to be hit.

I wasn't sure where to post this... conservation issues is as good as any I guess. Let me say this could be easily seen as political, another reason I hesitated to post it but I thought it would be good conversation on these cold days. I've watched the shows. They are extreme. They are showman. I cant' put a finger on how I would describe exactly how I feel about what they are doing. I know what they are trying to do... call attention to Japanese whale fishing, illegal or legal, I don't know enough about it to comment. <object width="500" height="405"><param name="movie" value=" name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src=" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="500" height="405"></embed></object>

Oh my gosh... another Doty!!!

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I love to see pics like this... and hear about these trips. Thanks for sharing.

Sorry- I gave him permission.

It's the Naked GoPro. I didn't get any of the straps. I had some industrial velcrow and stuck it on my coat - tried a couple of places for effect. The clear case has the wide, almost "fish-eye" view to it. It's almost too much. Might try just the camera with so case next time. Haven't tried it underwater yet. It needs some work. Not crazy about it yet.

Just testing out the camera... not sure exactly what I'm going to do with it. It's stuck on my chest behind the reel here. Not very good to see anything out at a distance, at least in detail. Did catch fish today. This isn't like a flip where I can download directly to youtube- takes time to edit, render and load. I shot more video but haven't had time to work it all up. May not either as it isn't the best. <object width="500" height="405"><param name="movie" value=" name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src=" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="500" height="405"></embed></object>

Babler knows all about fur trading... you should PM him. He doesn't view the whole board.

It's cold. It's snowing tonight. Water is off... finally. Three thoughts tonight as I watch the white stuff pile up outside my window. So far this winter shows signs of being a cold one with few warm breaks in the temperature. We've always had days at least up in the 40's in years past but not so far this winter. And nothing in the foreseeable forecast. I personally haven't adjusted to the cold yet. My fishing buddy Vince suggested it's because of the fat I've lost in the last 3 months. I've been watching what I eat and working out. This revelation makes me think about adding that fat back to keep me warm! Guess we better get used to ice in the guides. Snowing!? I commented to Marsha, as we crept up the hill on the strip this evening, avoiding the 8 car pileup at Roark Valley Road, that this snow was much better than the ice we've had the last 3 winters. Still slick but nothing sticking on the trees. Water is off!! We've been waiting for this for many months. So far what we've noticed is the bug population is huge and our trout are fat and strong. Scuds, sow bugs and lots and lots of midge hatches. I talked to Duane on New Years day about him seeing gobs of midges on Table Rock while duck hunting. I say gobs because he said they were hatching to fast that they were sticking together on the surface creating clumps of bugs. The only place I've seen that is on the San Juan River. I would love to see that on Taneycomo. Now I can't speak to how the fishing has been since the change in generation yet. I fished a little on the first up below the dam but too little to get a feel for what will happen in the days to come. I can guess... it's really going to be good! The trout are there. It's the first of January when we see some of the best fishing of the year here on Taney. Our rainbows haven't seen much pressure the last couple of months and have had a chance to rest and grow. Water quality is in great shape. Everything looks fantastic for this winter's season.

I have an uncle in town from Houston that I don't see much and it's too cold for him to fish so I won't be going in the am for sure. Catch some for me. Take pics!

I think that's pretty typical of most forums... hi-jacking is pretty much a given.

Great time today at the Pavilion below the dam. Cold, but not as windy as the last 2 years. Quite a few old faces and some new ones. Sure appreciate all those who brought the nice eats... Don's pepper poppers, Duane's brats, Gray's meat balls and much more. Water was off. Jeremy said he caught fish on a big ugly early. They were midging- yes sir. When I went down to the water, there were waves of bugs swarming the surface and the rainbows were very active. Good number of waders fishing. Lots in the rebar run. I caught a few rainbows on various soft hackles and midges but I didn't tear them up like others did. Don caught quite a few on a midge. The Doty's did well on scuds and eggs. I'll let everyone do their own reporting... you don't need my help! It was fun... and there's alot of weekend left.

It's been off since yesterday 11 am. Still off.