Phil Lilley

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JEFFERSON CITY-Changes in deer-hunting regulations approved by the Missouri Conservation Commission at its April meeting include one that enjoys popular support from hunters and one that is likely to be a hit with hunters 15 and younger. The Missouri Conservation Commission has more than doubled the number of counties included in the so-called “four-point rule.” This regulation was tested in 29 counties from 2004 through 2007. This year, with strong support from hunters, it will apply in the same counties as before, plus 36 new counties. The Conservation Commission also voted to add a second, late Youth Portion of Firearms Deer Season. Hunters under age 16 will have their own times to hunt Nov. 1 and 2, 2008, and Jan. 3 and 4, 2009. Counties included under the four-point rule this year are Adair, Andrew, Atchison, Audrain, Barton, Bates, Benton, Boone, Buchanan, Caldwell, Callaway Camden, Carroll, Cedar, Chariton, Clark, Clinton, Cole, Cooper, Daviess, DeKalb, Franklin, Gasconade, Gentry, Grundy, Harrison, Henry, Hickory, Holt, Howard, Johnson, Knox, Lafayette, Lewis, Lincoln, Linn, Livingston, Macon, Maries, Marion, Mercer, Miller, Moniteau, Monroe, Montgomery, Morgan, Nodaway Osage, Pettis, Phelps, Pike, Pulaski, Putnam, Ralls, Randolph, Ray, St. Clair, Saline, Schuyler, Scotland, Shelby, Sullivan, Vernon, Warren and Worth. The four-point rule allows hunters to take a buck only if its antlers are less than 3 inches long or have at least four points 1 inch or longer on at least one side. The Conservation Department decided to try antler restrictions for two reasons. One was to encourage hunters to shoot more does. This could help the agency control deer numbers in areas where they rise above target levels. The four-point rule also was designed to allow more bucks to reach ages of 3 years or older. This would produce a deer population with a more normal age and sex distribution. The traditional hunter bias toward shooting bucks, rather than does, creates a population with a disproportionate number of does and young bucks. Requiring hunters to pass up deer with no more than three points on a side allows more bucks to live to maturity. A population with more mature bucks has more large-antlered deer. For many hunters, the opportunity to take buck with big antlers is an important part of a high-quality hunting experience. Information gathered during the four-year test of the four-point rule showed it increased doe harvests in central Missouri counties, but not in pilot counties in northwestern Missouri. The four-point rule increased the number of mature, large-antlered deer in both central and northwestern counties. A mail survey of firearms deer hunters statewide found a majority of hunters in 74 of Missouri’s 114 counties favored the four-point rule. The 30 counties where half or more of hunters do not want the four-point rule are in southern Missouri, generally southeast of a line from St. Louis to the southwestern corner of the state. More than 70 percent of hunters expressed support for the four-point rule in 22 counties that lie mostly in northern Missouri. Hunters and nonhunters who expressed opinions at public meetings and through written comments were even more strongly in favor of the four-point rule. Comments from 60 counties ran in favor of the four-point rule by 70 percent or more. Only fourteen counties had comments with less than a majority in favor of the four-point rule. “We found that most hunters in most parts of the state like the four-point rule,” said Resource Scientist Lonnie Hansen, the Conservation Department’s top deer biologist. “We also discovered people liked the rule more the longer it was in effect in their counties. Approval of the four-point rule increased in adjoining counties during the four-year trial, too.” Hansen said the rule’s popularity was a major factor in extending it. “It didn’t work quite as well as we had hoped as a management tool. It did a better job of shifting harvest from bucks to does in central Missouri than in the northwest, where we really need more population management tools. But hunters really like it, especially in the northern half of the state.” Hansen said the Conservation Commission decided not to implement the four-point rule in counties around urban areas at this time because it actually seemed to reduce deer harvest in some northern-Missouri counties. “The four-point rule doesn’t seem to be the best way manage deer in urban areas, because we encourage harvest of all sex and age categories,” he said. The late Youth Portion of Firearms Deer Season will give youngsters the last shot at deer hunting at a time of year when many can take advantage of it. Hansen said the additional days of youth deer hunting are part of the Conservation Department’s continuing effort to make hunting more accessible to young people. “A lot of Missourians take vacation around the holidays,” said Hansen. “Youngsters who get deer rifles for Christmas will be able to use them. The youth-only season allows adults to focus their attention on teaching kids to hunt. That enhances the hunt’s value as a time for family.” The length and timing of other 2008 fall deer and turkey seasons remain unchanged from last year. These include: --Archery deer and turkey - Sept. 15-Nov. 14 and Nov. 26-Jan. 15 --Urban Portion of Firearms Deer Season - Oct. 3-6 --November Portion of Firearms Deer Season - Nov. 15-25 --Muzzleloader Portion of Firearms Deer Season - Nov. 28-Dec. 7 --Antlerless Portion of Firearms Deer Season - Dec. 13-21 Other changes in deer hunting regulations approved at the April Commission meeting include: --Removing two counties in the Springfield area - Christian and Webster - from the area open to hunting during the Urban Portion of Firearms Deer Season. --Removing seven southwest-Missouri counties - Barton, Christian, Dade, Jasper, Lawrence, Polk and Webster - from the area open to hunting during the Antlerless Portion of Firearms Deer Season. --Adding one central-Missouri county - Miller - to the area open during the Antlerless Portion of Firearms Deer Season. --Adding 12 southwest-Missouri counties - Barry, Barton, Christian, Dade, Jasper, Lawrence, McDonald, Newton, Polk, Stone, Webster and Wright - to the area where hunters may only fill one antlerless-only deer tag. Additional details of deer and turkey hunting regulations will be published in the 2008 Fall Deer and Turkey Hunting Regulations and Information booklet, which will be available from permit vendors statewide in July. -Jim Low-

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My sister, who lives in Harrison, said a friend of hers called just now and told her a 5 year old boy drown on the Buffalo yesterday- she thinks below Pruitt. I guess there's a underwater log that the livery people have tried to get the feds to move because it's very dangerous. It was lodged underwater is a fast spot during the past month's rains and high water. There have been quite a few incidents and injuries the past couple of weeks and now a death. The boy was trapped with the canoe for an hour while his family members and others tried to free him. I'm sure it'll be in the news shortly.

That's why I asked... cause I've been having trouble catching the numbers now we were catching before the last big water. But I have gotten off the white jig, esp below Lookout. But to be honest, I haven't had much time when I get out and only have time to try a couple of things. My fishing has been limited to 60-90 minutes late evening lately. I do want to try the am bite because the water is much slower early. Plus I want to see if I can see the bottom of the lake is some spots to see if there is any silt deposits where there should be gravel. This murky water is real different for Taney. NEVER has it been this way for so long- and I think it will be this way may be for all summer and into the fall.

Was hungry for more fish... so I headed out about 7:30 and just took the fly rod. I thought I could pick them off using a midge in a particular spot. It's just above the iron steps coming down the dirt bank from the condos at Fall Creek. I've been seeing trout midging in the seam the last couple of evenings I've gotten out. But again, the "fishing for food" curse got me again. I only saw a couple of rises while there and nothing on a soft hackle or a zebra midge. So I dashed up past Lookout Island up to the next island on the right- actually it's a big grassy point that's flooded. There's usually a bunch of trout rising there- and this time I wasn't disappointed. They were there. Still had a zebra midge on under an indicator 12 inches so started with that. Caught 4 rainbows- 2 under and 2 over 12 inches. Caught another short rainbow and they quite the zebra. Went to a soft hackle- they wouldn't look at it. Back to a zebra and caught one more rainbow over 12 inches and then it got too dark to see. Took only 3 eaters home. When I cleaned them they had micro-small midge larva in their stomachs- but tons of them. No wonder they weren't REAL interested in my #16 zebras. When I came up to the house, 2 college boys were studying in the den. So I threw in some extra potatoes. Then Caleb came home, then another kids showed up. I went and got some white bass fillets out of the freezer and started running water over them. Then another, and another. I think they could smell the fryer from all the way across the lake. Ended up frying 1/2 a sack of potatoes and a sack of fillets, with the small rainbows. They loved it.

Where did you do the best- what area?

Bill thinks they're gizzard shad.

PRO DIVISION FINAL RESULTS DAY ONE DAY TWO PL FIRST LAST HOMETOWN ST # FISH WEIGHT # FISH WEIGHT TOTAL 1 CURT GRAVES PARSONS KS 5 17.79 5 14.57 32.36 $5,000.00 2 SHANE LONG SARCOXI MO 5 17.69 5 13.72 31.41 $1,800.00 3 BILL BECK KIMBERLING CITY MO 5 16.42 5 13.89 30.31 $ 800.00 4 CLYDE FREY KIMBERLING CITY MO 5 13.93 5 15.52 29.45 $ 600.00 5 LUPE GARCIA SPRINGDALE AR 5 13.87 5 15.43 29.30 $ 500.00 6 MARTY CONRAD CRANE MO 5 14.32 5 14.37 28.69 $ 400.00 7 TIM SAINATO WALNUT SHADE MO 5 15.10 5 12.75 27.85 $ 300.00 8 TIM TAYLOR NIXA MO 5 13.43 5 13.65 27.08 $ 300.00 9 RICK LAPOINT SPRINGFIELD MO 5 14.15 5 12.73 26.88 Free Entry 10 DAVID BARKER HOLLISTER MO 5 14.12 5 12.55 26.67 Free Entry 11 MIKE WEBB OZARK MO 5 14.23 5 12.19 26.42 12 SCOTT PAULEY HARTSBURG MO 5 13.38 5 12.83 26.21 13 CASEY SCANLON LENEXA KS 5 13.68 5 12.22 25.90 14 MARC CZACHOWSKI SPOKANE MO 5 13.09 5 12.16 25.25 15 KELLY POWER CAPE FAIR MO 5 12.35 5 11.85 24.20 16 ANDRE DICKNEITE FREEBURG MO 5 14.13 5 9.63 23.76 17 PAT ADAMS ROGERS AR 5 13.16 4 10.37 23.53 18 JACKIE DAVIS WILLARD MO 5 10.97 5 12.48 23.45 19 MARK WIESE, JR. HIGH RIDGE MO 5 12.25 5 11.08 23.33 20 PHILLIP STONE HARRISON AR 4 8.70 5 14.17 22.87 21 JOHN JACKSON MARIONVILLE MO 5 10.92 5 11.86 22.78 22 TADJEN PETERSON OLATHE KS 5 9.19 5 13.23 22.42 23 MARVIN WELLS CLAREMORE OK 5 11.62 4 10.70 22.32 24 MIKE SUTHERLAND AURORA MO 5 11.60 5 10.70 22.30 25 DWAYNE LUBY ST. PETERS MO 5 10.94 5 10.94 21.88 26 RICH CAMPBELL WARRENSBURG MO 4 10.44 5 10.53 20.97 27 BRYAN HOLLAND GRAVETTE AR 5 14.57 2 5.38 19.95 28 MIKE WHITE WILLOW SPRINGS MO 3 6.40 5 13.46 19.86 29 JAMES MILES BERRYVILLE AR 5 10.37 3 8.20 18.57 30 BOBBY ALBERT SPRINGFIELD MO 5 12.75 2 5.39 18.14 31 RICK SCARBERRY LAMAR MO 5 10.77 3 6.73 17.50 32 DWAYNE FRENCH MAMMOTH SPGS AR 5 12.89 2 4.45 17.34 33 JOHN RAKESTRAW SHELL KNOB MO 4 8.96 2 7.87 16.83 34 JIMMY DAVIS, JR WILLARD MO 5 10.68 2 4.37 15.05 35 JIM BROWN TURPIN OK 4 8.46 3 6.56 15.02 36 TOM MASON NORWOOD MO 2 4.43 5 10.28 14.71 37 JAMES GILZOW BELLA VISTA AR 3 6.86 3 7.25 14.11 38 LINDA REDFORD BLUE EYE MO 2 3.74 2 4.44 8.18 39 VICTOR HAVELKA CORPUS CHRISTIE TX 0 0.00 0 2.00 5.31 40 RICH SEALS BENTONVILLE AR 2 4.91 0 0.00 4.91 41 JERRY WATSON ENERGY IL 2 4.62 0 0.00 4.62 42 TERRY THOMAS NIXA MO 0 0.00 2 4.54 4.54 43 RANDY BARNES NIXA MO 2 3.77 0 0.00 3.77 44 JEFF FARLEY OZARK MO 1 2.72 0 0.00 2.72 45 DAVE DONHAM HIGHLANDVILLE MO 0 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 46 SEAN GALLOWAY SAGINAW MI 0 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 47 ROBERT LANDRUM WICHITA KS 0 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 48 ROBERT ROBBINS BRANSON MO 0 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 BIG BASS CURT GRAVES 5.90 $ 625.00 2ND BIG BASS JOHN RAKESTRAW 5.47 $ 335.00 AMATEUR DIVISION DAY 1 RESULTS DAY ONE DAY TWO PL FIRST LAST HOMETOWN ST # FISH WEIGHT # FISH WEIGHT TOTAL 1 BILL DAVIS GREENWOOD MO 5 15.83 5 11.81 27.64 $1,100.00 2 JOEY PENZO SPRINGDALE AR 5 13.12 5 13.73 26.85 $ 625.00 3 JD DUDLEY SPRINGDALE AR 5 12.15 5 13.79 25.94 $ 575.00 4 BRYAN TRACY ST. PETERS MO 5 12.90 5 11.75 24.65 $ 475.00 5 CRAIG WARREN SPRINGFIELD MO 5 10.89 5 10.59 21.48 $ 450.00 6 JOE BREEDLOVE ST. CLAIR MO 3 9.51 5 11.87 21.38 $ 350.00 7 ZACH HAMPTON ST. CHARLES MO 3 6.34 5 13.13 19.47 $ 150.00 8 CHRIS SYKES ROGERS AR 5 10.61 4 7.76 18.37 $ 150.00 9 RON DULLE JASPER AR 2 6.44 5 11.34 17.78 Free Entry 10 JOHN TAYLOR PACIFIC MO 5 13.19 2 3.80 16.99 Free Entry 11 SCOTT STALLINGS GLENCOE OK 4 8.83 3 6.89 15.72 12 MARK THIELE ST LOUIS MO 5 12.16 1 2.47 14.63 13 ELIJAH PAULSON JONESBORO AR 2 5.88 4 8.70 14.58 14 LARRY SALLIS FESTUS MO 1 2.01 5 12.36 14.37 15 SCOTT BURK ROGERS AR 5 11.11 1 2.23 13.34 16 DON CARLSON ROGERSVILLE MO 4 8.45 2 4.22 12.67 17 SCOT FLOYD WENTZVILLE MO 2 4.23 4 8.41 12.64 18 JOHN R. KURTH ATCHISON KS 2 5.31 3 5.90 11.21 19 DAN MCGENNIS JONESBORO AR 5 10.87 0 0.00 10.87 20 BEN ROBERTS FORSYTH MO 1 5.25 2 4.11 9.36 21 ROBERT BAKER SHELL KNOB MO 0 0.00 4 8.66 8.66 22 BILL HOFFERT COLUMBIA MO 3 6.48 1 1.84 8.32 23 BILL AMIS SHAWNEE KS 2 4.10 1 4.06 8.16 24 BOBBY KING GENTRY AR 3 7.97 0 0.00 7.97 25 JASON TAYLOR PACIFIC MO 0 0.00 3 7.10 7.10 26 CHUCK BRAMWELL NIXA MO 2 3.88 1 2.95 6.83 27 BILL EDWARDS OZARK MO 1 1.96 2 4.80 6.76 28 JOHN HALEY BRANSON WEST MO 3 6.29 0 0.00 6.29 29 RICK LATHAM ARNOLD MO 0 0.00 3 5.79 5.79 30 BOBBY JONES WARR ACRES OK 1 3.01 1 2.30 5.31 31 JOHN KITE FESTUS MO 1 2.64 1 2.27 4.91 32 MIKE MUELLER COLUMBIA MO 1 1.83 1 2.82 4.65 33 JAMES BAKER CASSVILLE MO 0 0.00 2 4.18 4.18 34 TORRIS CASTON ST. LOUIS MO 0 0.00 1 3.54 3.54 35 CHRIS DUNLAP FORISTELL MO 1 3.20 0 0.00 3.20 36 KEVIN STUHLMAN FLORISSANT MO 0 0.00 1 2.65 2.65 37 JON NICHOLS CASSVILLE MO 0 0.00 1 2.59 2.59 38 DONNA GILZOW BELLA VISTA AR 0 0.00 1 2.08 2.08 39 DAN ALTHISER STRAFFORD MO 0 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 40 TYLER DUNN SPRINGFIELD MO 0 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 41 KEVIN JOHNSON ROGERSVILLE MO 0 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 42 DAVID KELSEY INDEPENDENCE MO 0 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 43 ROGER TILLMAN PEA RIDGE AR 0 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 BIG BASS BEN ROBERTS 5.25 $ 275.00 2ND BIG BASS JOE BREEDLOVE 5.02 $ 145.00

John and Tami- thanks for the honor. I've forwarded your post to everyone at the Landing. He's a cute little bug... you need to bring him down for a visit.

You think crappie? That would be where I'd think they are.

Corp site is down.

PL FIRST LAST HOMETOWN ST # FISH WEIGHT 1 CURT GRAVES PARSONS KS 5 17.79 2 SHANE LONG SARCOXI MO 5 17.69 3 BILL BECK KIMBERLING CITY MO 5 16.42 4 TIM SAINATO WALNUT SHADE MO 5 15.10 5 BRYAN HOLLAND GRAVETTE AR 5 14.57 6 MARTY CONRAD CRANE MO 5 14.32 7 MIKE WEBB OZARK MO 5 14.23 8 RICK LAPOINT SPRINGFIELD MO 5 14.15 9 ANDRE DICKNEITE FREEBURG MO 5 14.13 10 DAVID BARKER HOLLISTER MO 5 14.12 11 CLYDE FREY KIMBERLING CITY MO 5 13.93 12 LUPE GARCIA SPRINGDALE AR 5 13.87 13 CASEY SCANLON LENEXA KS 5 13.68 14 TIM TAYLOR NIXA MO 5 13.43 15 SCOTT PAULEY HARTSBURG MO 5 13.38 16 PAT ADAMS ROGERS AR 5 13.16 17 MARC CZACHOWSKI SPOKANE MO 5 13.09 18 DWAYNE FRENCH MAMMOTH SPGS AR 5 12.89 19 BOBBY ALBERT SPRINGFIELD MO 5 12.75 20 KELLY POWER CAPE FAIR MO 5 12.35 21 MARK WIESE, JR. HIGH RIDGE MO 5 12.25 22 MARVIN WELLS CLAREMORE OK 5 11.62 23 MIKE SUTHERLAND AURORA MO 5 11.60 24 JACKIE DAVIS WILLARD MO 5 10.97 25 DWAYNE LUBY ST. PETERS MO 5 10.94 26 JOHN JACKSON MARIONVILLE MO 5 10.92 27 RICK SCARBERRY LAMAR MO 5 10.77 28 JIMMY DAVIS, JR WILLARD MO 5 10.68 29 RICH CAMPBELL WARRENSBURG MO 4 10.44 30 JAMES MILES BERRYVILLE AR 5 10.37 31 TADJEN PETERSON OLATHE KS 5 9.19 32 JOHN RAKESTRAW SHELL KNOB MO 4 8.96 33 PHILLIP STONE HARRISON AR 4 8.70 34 JIM BROWN TURPIN OK 4 8.46 35 JAMES GILZOW BELLA VISTA AR 3 6.86 36 MIKE WHITE WILLOW SPRINGS MO 3 6.40 37 RICH SEALS BENTONVILLE AR 2 4.91 38 JERRY WATSON ENERGY IL 2 4.62 39 TOM MASON NORWOOD MO 2 4.43 40 RANDY BARNES NIXA MO 2 3.77 41 LINDA REDFORD BLUE EYE MO 2 3.74 42 JEFF FARLEY OZARK MO 1 2.72 43 DAVE DONHAM HIGHLANDVILLE MO 0 0.00 44 SEAN GALLOWAY SAGINAW MI 0 0.00 45 VICTOR HAVELKA CORPUS CHRISTIE TX 0 0.00 46 ROBERT LANDRUM WICHITA KS 0 0.00 47 ROBERT ROBBINS BRANSON MO 0 0.00 48 TERRY THOMAS NIXA MO 0 0.00 BIG BASS CURT GRAVES 5.90 2ND BIG BASS SHANE LONG 5.41 AMATEUR DIVISION DAY 1 RESULTS PL FIRST LAST HOMETOWN ST # FISH WEIGHT 1 BILL DAVIS GREENWOOD MO 5 15.83 2 JOHN TAYLOR PACIFIC MO 5 13.19 3 JOEY PENZO SPRINGDALE AR 5 13.12 4 BRYAN TRACY ST. PETERS MO 5 12.90 5 MARK THIELE ST LOUIS MO 5 12.16 6 JD DUDLEY SPRINGDALE AR 5 12.15 7 SCOTT BURK ROGERS AR 5 11.11 8 CRAIG WARREN SPRINGFIELD MO 5 10.89 9 DAN MCGENNIS JONESBORO AR 5 10.87 10 CHRIS SYKES ROGERS AR 5 10.61 11 JOE BREEDLOVE ST. CLAIR MO 3 9.51 12 SCOTT STALLINGS GLENCOE OK 4 8.83 13 DON CARLSON ROGERSVILLE MO 4 8.45 14 BOBBY KING GENTRY AR 3 7.97 15 BILL HOFFERT COLUMBIA MO 3 6.48 16 RON DULLE JASPER AR 2 6.44 17 ZACH HAMPTON ST. CHARLES MO 3 6.34 18 JOHN HALEY BRANSON WEST MO 3 6.29 19 ELIJAH PAULSON JONESBORO AR 2 5.88 20 JOHN R. KURTH ATCHISON KS 2 5.31 21 BEN ROBERTS FORSYTH MO 1 5.25 22 SCOT FLOYD WENTZVILLE MO 2 4.23 23 BILL AMIS SHAWNEE KS 2 4.10 24 CHUCK BRAMWELL NIXA MO 2 3.88 25 CHRIS DUNLAP FORISTELL MO 1 3.20 26 BOBBY JONES WARR ACRES OK 1 3.01 27 JOHN KITE FESTUS MO 1 2.64 28 LARRY SALLIS FESTUS MO 1 2.01 29 BILL EDWARDS OZARK MO 1 1.96 30 MIKE MUELLER COLUMBIA MO 1 1.83 31 DAN ALTHISER STRAFFORD MO 0 0.00 32 JAMES BAKER CASSVILLE MO 0 0.00 33 ROBERT BAKER SHELL KNOB MO 0 0.00 34 TORRIS CASTON ST. LOUIS MO 0 0.00 35 TYLER DUNN SPRINGFIELD MO 0 0.00 36 DONNA GILZOW BELLA VISTA AR 0 0.00 37 KEVIN JOHNSON ROGERSVILLE MO 0 0.00 38 DAVID KELSEY INDEPENDENCE MO 0 0.00 39 RICK LATHAM ARNOLD MO 0 0.00 40 JON NICHOLS CASSVILLE MO 0 0.00 41 KEVIN STUHLMAN FLORISSANT MO 0 0.00 42 JASON TAYLOR PACIFIC MO 0 0.00 43 ROGER TILLMAN PEA RIDGE AR 0 0.00 BIG BASS BEN ROBERTS 5.25 2ND BIG BASS JOE BREEDLOVE 5.02

State Park, Gages, Chateau or Indian Point BUT are any of these marinas open? And will they open soon if not?

Who wrote this one?

Talked to Mr. Bill. He and 3 other guides had 100 keepers today between the four of them. Unbelievable. His clients weren't even fisherpeople. He said they mostly drug a carolina rig behind the boat. Talked to a friend fishing the Central Pro/Am. He said they caught a ton of bass on a grub up the White River Arm. Bill said Bill Beck is right at the top in the pro division. He thinks Beck will smoke the field tomorrow.

Finally- someone used the word in the proper context. Crappie - I think we're all having a good time at your expense. I wouldn't take it too hard. I've made a mess a time or two on this here forum. And that's all it is... just a forum. Heck, most of us don't even use our real names.

Crappie's going to have to change his name...

I fried up some fish last night and liked it so much I wanted to do it again tonight... wrong! I never do well when I AIM to go and catch dinner. Fished from 4:40 - 7 pm. Drifted a crawler from Fall Creek to Short Creek and caught one rainbow. Tried a red San Juan- nothing. Added a scud- nothing. Threw back the 12.5 inch rainbow and headed to Andy's. Drifted a sj and a scud under a float 10 feet deep with the fly rod- nothing. Drifted one more time with a spin- sj worm to past FC - nothing. Oh- sorry- I caught a rock. I saw guests cleaning fish just now as I came in. So someone is catching them today. I'd imagine they fished downstream. I didn't see anyone else catch.. but one trout the whole time I was out. Sorry- no pics of the rock. I tossed it.

I don't know... just wanted to do something different. Babler loves the drift rig. I'm lazy and just pinch a split shot 18 inches above the lure/bait when I drift. Need to perform an experiment and see which catches fish best. The rig makes more sense thought- but I'm lazy, like I said. The float- I didn't have a fly rod and wanted to see if I could fish with a float- so when I had my fly rod I could do the same thing. But read my report today... nothing worked very well- float or bottom bounce.

Had a great laugh.. first at crappie's post about the dead horse and then Bill's comment about the bone. Good ones... I sure like this forum too........

This statement is way over the top. Let's keep it respectable please. I think especially Al, and everyone else, has shown respect for each others beliefs in this discussion.

He calls me that all the time.

Crappie- why would you post this?? Bill contributes so much to this forum- for you and everybody else and you call him out on something like this? I think you better go back and read the post again. I think you read it wrong. Vulgar???? I'm very disappointed.

As I Christian, I am disappointed in "believers" who use religion to measure a man and his beliefs. They miss the point entirely. Christians arguing over theories like evolution and whether the Bible is the Word of God is so far from what we should be doing... discussing is quite different and I think this has been a good discussion but I think it's taking a turn I don't like. What Christians should be concerned about, in the context of their "religion" is the condition of our neighbor's heart, not what he believes about how the world began. They should be working to take care of the poor and down and out, the widows and orphans, not forcing their beliefs on others by preaching when they should be Christ's examples here on earth, examples in how they live. Even if Christians win every argument, very study and could say, "see I told you so!" would that really be a win in God's column or would just push unbelievers away further from God's love and much further from His people here in this life? I'm sad to say I agree with Al's points about Christians in general. For the most part, we've lost respect of people all over the world because we say one thing and do another. I'll let this topic continue as long as the discussion continues without malice... but if it heads south, I'll close it.