Phil Lilley

Yamaha Props #1 - 13 x 19 - rebuilt 19 times ($10) #2 - 13 x 21 Solas Myth we have 2 props. Rebuilt once and 3 times ($60) #3 - 13 x 21 101135 Michigan Wheel (new) we have 2 props ($80) #4 - 12.75 x 21 (no hub) rebuilt 6 times ($20)

Sorry- just kidding. I've played with this group for about 6 years. I don't play to win- I go because of the guys who play. They're top notch - and we do play to sweat mostly. Ages range from high schoolers to my age but the guys who consistently come are mostly age 30-40. As in most competitive sports, there are disagreements. I'd just never heard of this interpretation.

It was a tightly contested game and there was a lot of money riding on it. We play to 11 and it was 10-10.

Pinning this topic for future reference so if anyone has any helpful information on the Kings, sections to float, what to expect as far as fishing, even outfitters and places to camp or lodge, please post. Thanks

Couple of the guys I play with pulled out a rule I'd never heard of... you can take that 1.5 step when shooting (layup) but not on a pass or saving the ball out of bounds as I did. The other guys- and me- scratched our collective heads and asked, "Where did you find that rule?" Regardless, I didn't travel. I promise!!

OK - didn't think I'd ever ask this on OAF but I bet we have some basketball refs here - or at least arm chair coaches that may know their stuff. Was playing b-ball the other morning and was called for traveling. I was going for a ball that was going out of bounds. I caught the ball while only taking 2 steps before releasing it, about the same as a layup. Some of the guys said this - 2 steps is ok on a shot but not on a grab and pass. I asked them when I traveled-- on the first or second step and if at all, when did I move my pivot foot? I didn't get an answer... It's haunted me since. I googled it but didn't get a definitive answer. We play in the morning...

I think it's just OA.

I know this has happened to other members... it's been firewall issues and browser issues. But this member says he doesn't think it's either. Any ideas? He's running a PC, at home. It's Ruthead.

http://coopercreekresort.com http://lazyvalley.com http://ozarktroutresort.com

Probably. Orange was good before the water dropped- better now I bet.

Yep

After more than days of flood gates, our tailwater here on Lake Taneycomo is somewhat back to normal. This has been a rare event, having to substitute flood gates for turbines but one that makes you think, "What if?" Having 57-degree water run through the system, we see the effects it has on a fishery. The bug count went through the roof--midges and scuds--the primary food base for our trout. Rainbows clearly grew at rates that make you scratch your head and say, "Where did the stockers go?" Seemed like it only took a few days to transform a gray-colored stocker into a vibrant, fat rainbow trout. And it didn't matter where you fished, it seemed like rainbows were keyed in on this little gray bug. As I reeled in a trout, it shook its head -- scuds were spewing out of its mouth as if there was no room in its belly to hold more. Here's a video of scuds swarming on the edge of the water at our boat ramp. Note the dry pocket next to the slab where thousands of bugs were stranded after the water dropped out. I dug out and rescued as many as I could, but considering all the pockets up and down the lake, lots of scuds probably died -- but that's the life on a tailwater! This is a very good sign for our fishery. On Monday morning, Table Rock Lake's level hit the magic number and the U.S. Corps of Army Engineers shut down the flood gates at Table Rock Dam. The turbines were even shut down Monday night but were turned back on during the day Tuesday. Two units at 707 feet -- that's what we'll be looking at for a while. But if the rains hold off, we should start seeing some down water during the day. With the lower flows comes colder water temperatures. We're back to the mid-40s and the water is much clearer. I think you can still get away with four-pound line, but it won't be long before we're all retrieving our two-pound and 6x out of the box. It's always interesting to see how changes in water temperature affect how trout feed and, therefore, our fishing. The bites definitely slowed down a bit, our guides reported from Monday and Tuesday's trips. "It's not that bad, just not as good as it was with the flood gates on," said one fishing guide. But with water slower and more shallow, dock fishing is much better, easier. I'm confident the trout will get used to the new temperature and will be feeding aggressively once again. Night crawlers seem to be the choice bait now, drifted from Fall Creek down past Cooper Creek. From Monkey Island down through the Branson Landing, Gulp Eggs in white/orange seem to be the ticket. With the slower flows, you need to drop to a smaller weight -- 1/8th ounce should be fine. But if you're still getting hung on the bottom a lot, just put a small split shot on instead of a bell weight. With the slower water, the Trout Magnet has made a comeback! A pink/white magnet under a float five- to seven-feet deep fished from Cooper Creek down to the Landing has been effective the last couple of days. In the trophy area, drifting from the dam to the first island is really hot! Lots of nice rainbows up there are taking white or dark jigs (sculpin, black, brown) mainly thrown straight in either 18th or 3/32nd ounce. The fishing has been slower down below the island on jigs but is still good drifting red or pink San Juan worms, #14 gray scuds or peach egg flies on the bottom. You can use a fly rod and drift the same flies under a float 12-feet deep with a small weight to keep the flies on the bottom. From Lookout Island down, drifting #14 to #16 gray scuds is still the ticket. Stay in the middle of the lake and use enough weight to keep in contact with the bottom. Also work the bluff bank with a sculpin 1/8th ounce jig or small to medium stick baits like a gold/black floating or sinking Rapala. I haven't noticed any top-water action along the bluff banks yet, but it shouldn't be long before a hopper or stimulator should attract a take or two.

Doesn't anyone have the right to criticize an opinion? This has been a fairly good discussion... what I haven't seen is any facts or studies - only opinions... which is ok I guess. What I also haven't seen is anybody from other lakes/forums come over and criticize Table Rock guys of keeping fish on Table Rock.

This morning they're waiting till 9 am to start running water on Taney. It's 9:30 am and the water's not moving here at the Landing (not Branson Landing- the ORIGINAL LANDING). Waders at the dam must be ecstatic! I know there's tons of 17+ inch rainbows below the dam right now. Better get out and enjoy it before the next rain ends it. Seriously- I do hope we keep getting some rain this summer. No generation for long periods of time will kill the great scud population boom we're enjoying. I hate to see the dead scuds all along the banks right now but can't do anything about that. It's the life of a tailwater... I'm hoping to see our midge hatches resume early and late in the day. SOMEDAY I'd like to see someone come in and do a study on the variety of midges we have here. The small black midges we saw when the gates were opened were distinct, as well as being numerous. They seem to be gone now we have our cold water back.

Has been for a couple of weeks...

I believe people assume there are more up lake than down lake. Not so. I talked to our fisheries biologists last week (actually took him fishing to show off our rainbows) and he said the pond weed down at Rockaway are full of scuds.

Taken this morning off our boat ramp (June 9, 2015). After 10 days of flood gates and 57 degree water, our scud population seems to have exploded. In my 32 years, I've never seen this along my bank - and they're everywhere. We've been catching rainbows that are belching scuds all the way to the boat and in the boat. Their bellies are bulging and their growth rates is amazing. If only we had warmer water flowing from the dam... think of the trout fishery we'd have!!

they shut the flood gates this morning. Steve Dickey said they did it slowly so the lake came down slowly. He said the fish are still biting even though the water temp dropped. I'll be back from KC later tonight - have to see for myself tomorrow.

The young had just flown the coop... We've been watching them on the nest for 3 months. It's early. Last year they didn't fly off till July.

Still none here...

This debate would go better if someone would offer studies proving these theories. Fisheries biologist manage lakes by taking creel studies to see what anglers are doing, ie. keeping or releasing, fishing pressure and even what they want in their lake (more- smaller or less- bigger). They then set limits and stocking numbers from what they find. That's what they did on Taney... and they've done it on Table Rock, for a variety of species. I'm not a bass fisherman so I don't have a dog in this fight.

Update for 5 June 2015 Update: Table Rock is currently releasing our authorized flood control release of 15,000 cfs. Table Rock Lake's pool elevation is approximately 918.55 and falling. As long as Table Rock Lake's elevation is between 917 and 920 this operation will continue. At Table Rock, we are using spillway gates to evacuate flood storage because 2 generators are out of service because of storm related damages." Table Lake Dam's current spillway/generator release is (7 gates open 1.0 ft; and 3 gates open 0.5 ft). The spillway discharge will be 8100 cfs; Turbine Release is approx 6500 cfs for a total discharge of 14,600 cfs. With our current operations, it looks like we may be able to end the spillway releases on Monday morning. This is only a forecast and we will see what the lake level is on Monday morning. Table Rock Lake's pool elevation should be just under 917.5' and we will try to draw the pool to 917' with our 2 generators from there.

By John Neporadny Fishing a finesse lure on a drop shot rig has saved the day for many recreational and tournament anglers alike at the Lake of the Ozarks. Today's fishing pressure has turned many bass into finicky eaters so Lake of the Ozarks anglers have resorted to downsizing their lures and tackle to coax bites. The drop shot rig has emerged from this trend as one of the most effective ways to present a thin, 3 or 4-inch lure to a passive Lake of the Ozarks bass. However there are still plenty of times when bass prefer their meals super-sized and a tournament trail pro has discovered the drop shot rig can also effectively deliver a big, bulky dinner to a heavyweight bass. It's the same principle behind drop shotting no matter what size bait you are throwing,î says Dion Hibdon, the former Bassmaster Classic and FLW Tour champion from Stover, MO. It's giving your bait a totally different look to the fish. It's a real natural looking presentation. The Lake of the Ozarks pro suggests many lures such as jigs or Texas-rigged baits fall head-first whereas a lure on a drop-shot rig tends to remain horizontal. ìSo much of the food sits level in the water and doesnít go head down all the time,î discloses Hibdon. So when fishing gets a little bit off, that is what bluegill and shad are doing--standing upright and not standing on their heads. Smaller bass seem to prefer finesse baits in the toughest conditions, but Hibdon believes quality fish still want a big meal. The older a bass gets and the bigger it gets, it becomes a little bit more of a professional eater,î says the tournament veteran. ìWhat I mean is it knows if it eats a big bluegill it only has to eat once or twice a day and it exerts a whole lot less energy compared to having to eat a dozen small shad. When fishing gets tough at Lake of the Ozarks and Hibdon needs a kicker fish, the cast-for-cash angler super sizes his drop shot rig with either a 5- to 6-inch flipping tube, a 9-inch ring worm or a 10-inch paddletail worm. He selects a 4/0 or 5/0 wide gap hook for his flipping tube and 4/0 or 5/0 hooks for his 9- and 10-inch plastic worms. Most of the time, Hibdon uses 3/8- or 1/2-ounce weights for his magnum drop shot rig although he opts for 3/4- and 1-ounce versions when punching the lures through weed mats or working the rig in deep water. A 7- or 7 1/2-foot medium-heavy or heavy rod with a bait-cast reel are Hibdonís choices for delivering his magnum drop shot. He ties his rig on 17- or 20-pound fluorocarbon line and usually leaves a 1-foot to 18-inch gap between his lure and the drop weight. Drop-shotting big baits produces best for Hibdon in the summer and fall in waters with visibility of at least 1 to 2 feet. ìThe fish are more likely to suspend that time of the year,î says Hibdon. The Missouri pro's drop shot with the ring worm produces bass from brush piles at the Lake of the Ozarks whenever the fish start ignoring his Texas-rigged worm. ìIf you have caught fish day after day out of those brush tops and the fish stop biting, then slip a drop shot in there,î advises Hibdon, who has caught several fish in the 5- and 6-pound class on the magnum drop shot. ìI pull it along real easy, just like a Carolina rig, crawling it along the bottom until I get it to a piece of brush, then I might shake it a little bit. Hibdon also tricks bedding bass with a drop shot and magnum tube bait. If a spawning fish ignores his other offerings after four or five casts and the bass isn't locked on the bed, Hibdon switches to the drop shot. ìThere is a time during the spawn when the fish suspend above those beds and sometimes if you can lift your lure off the bed in its face it will go ahead and eat It's he reveals. When Lake of the Ozarks bass start ignoring your jigs or Texas-rigged plastic worms, try a drop shot rig with a super-sized soft plastic. You'll be dangling a big meal that a heavyweight bass craves right in its eating zone. For information on lodging and other facilities at the Lake of the Ozarks or to receive a free vacation guide, call the Lake of the Ozarks Convention & Visitors Bureau at 1-800-FUN-LAKE or visit the Lake of the Ozarks Convention and Visitors Bureau web site at funlake.com.

No place to wade. 15k cfs - you have a little space at outlet #1 and 2 spots at outlet #2.