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When I was a kid, it was rabbits. IIRC the Aussies were trying to get hunters to immigrate there to help with introduced rabbit control, then they introduced fox to control rabbits and they became a problem. I think cats are a problem everywhere except maybe Thailand/Siam, I've read the Siamese cats are so domesticated that they don't hunt, so would starve in the wild.

Rarely had rolled sets, always by red fox, but, I guess that was just luck. And I should have said lure, because I seldom used bait after the early learning seasons, unless targeting possums. I have never used shad, so am only guessing, but believe that anything smelly will attract scavengers and all predators are scavengers at some point. Possums do find more sets than most other critters because they start out earlier in the evening and have the traps plugged by the time others arrive. I used to make a lot of possum sets early in the season. Easy money I thought.

That would be excellent coyote bait. Any predator really. I still think hot dead worms are ranker than hot dead fish, at full rot they be about equally nasty. I could still smell the night-crawlers that died in my trunk months later and they were only in there a half day.

Those horns should be triggered automatically when any gate is opened even a bit. I've had that happen to me at Beaver, can be kinda scary. That is a nice fish.

cover the out side of the totes with some kind of insulation heat is hitting that bedding from five sides. Partial burying the totes in saw dust, compost, etc. or packing bales of straw around them are quick ideas. I kept my worm beds in the basement which stayed cooler than outside. Might set the tubs inside larger tubs so the space between them acts as insulation.

Farm ponds, rivers, creeks, no one told me they weren't good to eat and thinking back some people claimed to like the way they tasted.

Nice if we wanted to know the area of the river.

Counting Al wannabes?

That was publicized as being a state law back when the politicians owned the corn and distillery businesses, maybe they still do, but if the law had an end date or has since been repealed, I haven't heard of it.

Sure they could do that without ever getting a boat wet. Which begs the question of why did they even ask someone to float all those streams. But in truth and honesty, I asked Al how he measured the stream miles, not how they might have done it, and all these pages later are the result people who weren't there wanting to guess how Al did it. My other questions arose to determine if those others had been there or had actual experience in map making. It's kinda like someone asking fishinwrench how he would adjust the carb on a two cycle boat motor and everybody on the site responding that wrench used a screwdriver, a stethoscope, a stopwatch and a piece of string, and got his instructions from a smart phone. Entertaining answers but having nothing to do with the question asked. And it really doesn't matter because we have to use the bridges or public accesses to put in and to take out regardless of how far apart they are and miles traveled in an hour or in a day will vary with stream current, paddle size, user ability, type of boat and even the wind speed and direction; and those bridges will show up when you get there. The mileage is immaterial and the inquiry just a curiosity on my part; I found it odd that they marked mileage on such maps as being accurate to within 200 yards with the various changes streams make after every rain, and also found my estimate and their "measurement" weren't always in agreement. I've been curious about their methods for years and thought the guy doing the map might have knowledge of his methods, both now and 20-40 years ago. Many of the local accesses listed in my guide have been closed to the public for years, prompting the question of did MDC revise all the streams.

We used to eat a lot of catfish out of the river that is now Truman Reservoir. I'd guess those had access to Lake of the Ozarks. I wonder now if they were gross and we just didn't know it or if the lake has changed that much?

does that location come in miles from a start point or is it in global coordinates?

Actually that's how you measure the map, and when we do this we are trusting that the map has some accuracy in both the drawing of it and the reproduction of it, as well as in the onsite measuring of it. Most maps started off with a land surveyor using a theodolite and a "chain".

But someone did put mileage marks on those maps you used 40 years ago? and they were accurate by your measure?

Thanks Al. So you brung the aerial photos and and the rough drawn map both with you in the canoe? slide rule calculations or computer?

not contrary at all I asked a question from the mapmaker and I get all these how to find the supermarket answers. Do you have an odometer in your boat? Did you measure the miles for the Guide? so far every answer to my post has been by a contrarian trying to assure me that they are secret mapmakers. No one named Al has replied.

but then you have no way to use the topo map to measure your mileage as was proposed.

That would keep most people from going to work or out to eat. But, the question was not and still is not "where am I?" the question was " how did the map maker measure miles on an unmarked waterway?", and since they did that in on the original maps in 1965, their method must still exist? Anyone using a gps or a smart phone would not be using the MDC book on the water anyway. If you have and can use the topo map, why buy the Guide?

So you all had smart phones and google maps in 1965? My original question was for those who mark the maps. The followup question presumes that I need to use that same method of measuring to get the same results, while sitting in a canoe underway. Obviously MDC is not an authority on stream use other than to keep their fish in. And the "Most Recent Issue" of "Paddler's Guide" I bought just a few years ago had questionable distances marked for access points that have been unavailable for 20-30 years, on streams that I'm familiar with. Kinda wondering if the new issue would have the same zero value as the other. But it seems the OP post was a drive by.

I bought one of those years ago but it was only working in wide open places and I took it back. It might have been accurate to within a tenth mile but I'm not sure it was, it kinda put me off gps.

Obviously you are smarter than I, I'd have no idea how many miles I could drift in a day or an hour on an unknown stream. I could count the road crossings and feeder streams and make a guess of where on the map I was, maybe.

What is the point of a mile marker on a map anyway, if I have no way to measure the water. None of my boats or canoes came with an odometer.

@Al Agnew how in the world do you measure miles and tenths of miles on winding twisting streams? And did MDC revise all the streams for this new edition?

Some day I'll tie a few of those double hook BLs just to see how they go. But, I'll likely try to get them as near to the Galloup's recipe as I can. I'm not sure what hooks I'll need to buy for that, but I suspect the 3366 is too short