KATroutman13

That certainly appears to be the "aftermath" considering the way those banks look. Looks like it would be a good year to fish outside of the park.

Take some split shot with you. It will be like fishing the larger wild rivers in Missouri where the water runs hard and fast and it takes a good drift to get the fly to the bottom. Throw upstream as far as you can and then give a good, overcompensating upstream mend. Mend, mend, mend until the fly gets in front of you, then downstream mend, giving line the whole time to extend your drift. The fish are eating, even in the high water. Oh, and bigger flies always seem to work better too.

Wayne, I love your avatar. Needed to say that. What most folks don't realize is that the "myth" of the open door America prior to the late 1800's is just that, a myth. There was not a major federal immigration policy as we see it today, but in the late 1700's Congress passed a naturalization law that allowed only free white men to be naturalized as U.S. Citizens. People snuck into this country all the time, despite regulation, albeit, very relaxed. This did not change again until the late 1868 with the passage of the 14th Amendment. And, there's a small sect of Mexicans and Mexican-Americans that believe that the southern states bordering Mexico rightfully belong to Mexico and thus, we are the illegals. Also, states were allowed to enact immigration policies policies to restrict immigrants from entering their borders. Don't kid yourself, Wayne, the involvement of the "higher" classes as officers is not the glorification found in movies like the Patriot. Agreed, they financed the wars, but they were not in the trenches. They were the astute, the elite and they drew the battle plans rather than execute them.

Good Lord, you are a tightly wound man. If you read my subsequent post, I clarified where I was coming from with "forefathers." And you interpret things like a hormonal woman, "typical soldier" was not used to denegrate the "soldier" but rather to reference that soldiers were, are and for the most part will be, common-people, like you and me, our uncles, fathers, brothers and sisters.

And they are really light, don't take up much space and are powerful.

I've always heard that one should use the batteries they put in the motorized scooters like the one's at Wal-Mart. Many charges, running a motor that should carry a heavy load, need to last a long time. I should do this, but never really think of it. I just use a lawn mower battery. I get a couple of years use out of them.

TF, I was agreeing with you and also trying to tell you that the Supreme Court has validated your position, many times. I know it is hard to believe that we agree on this topic, but we do.

Even though I believe the reference was rather obvious, in context; I was using the term "forefathers" in its generic form, not a specific reference to your familial relationships, but your veiled threats are noted and I am sufficiently shaking in my boots. (Really that comment only reminded me of a lyric by the Drive-By-Truckers -"Scrap like a wildcat fights till the end; trap a wildcat and take his skin" Great band, check them out) I digress, the answer to the issue you raise has been answered time and time again: The United States Constitution applies to PERSONS, regardless of Citizenship. See parade of logic below regarding visas (people here legally). TF, You are correct about the San Antonio school district case, but there are several Supreme Court cases that address the person versus citizen issue in the United States Constitution and those cases clearly state that the Constitution applies to persons, regardless of whether they are here illegally or citizenship. Otherwise, we would deny fundamental rigthts to people on work visas, school visas or any other type of visa, all of which are here legally. As to the schooling, well, with this market and the layoffs at the big firms, all I can do is wish you the best of luck, man. It's tough enough for new grads to compete with their classmates and the 800 other people flooding the major job markets and now they have to compete with people who have 4 or 5 years of experience.

Troutfiend, Thank you very much, for bringing that point out. A point which is obvious to most people who have actually read the Constitution rather than misquote it. P -- Most of your "forefathers" did not "fight" at all, but sent other, poor, iliterate illegal immigrants to fight for this country.

I've always camped at Table Rock State Park or slept in the back of the truck while fishing at Taneycomo. It's a short short drive down. I have never had to reserve a campsite there and I certainly wouldn't think you would need to this time of year.

Snag their line, bite off their fly and put it in your box. It does amaze me at how people do this stuff. You almost have to wonder how those people operate in everyday life.

Nice fish. To me that is one of the funnest holes to fish on RRSP during the C & R Season. I have certainly never hooked a fish that big in that hole, but the fish seem to be very agressive right there!

TF, For an individual who openly "hates" Justice Scalia, I find your assertion that the Constitution as, "in all reality a legal document" significantly off base. However, I understand that you are a law student (been there) and I know how you are surrounded by liberal peers, liberal professors and the hatred and vile spewed by Scalia is nonsense unfounded in legal precedent ... blah, blah, blah (been there too). Politics has been an insidious portion of the Constitution, going all the way to its drafting. The text of the document is replete with political compromise. Read the Federalist Papers, they illustrate exactly how politicized the drafting of the Constitution and the language it contined was, in reality. It is also funny, that the Federalist Papers themselves, have been the foundation for modern political arguments, including the Kelo case you aptly refer to in your earlier posts. If that crazy Scalia and those other strict constructionists had it their way, no such politics or parol evidence (Federalist Papers) would be allowed to interpret the Constitution as a "living, breathing document" which ultimately subjects it to interpretation de jure. Reading the Constitution as a purely legal document, as do the Thomas and Scalia types would not allow such random interpetations and the invasion of politics to erode or embelish upon those rights granted in the Constitution. There is no doubt, especially on the heels of Kelo that the State of Missouri could exercise eminent domain and take an easement from the landowner permitting access to the property by the public. The saddest part about this specific "taking" is that the "just" compensation would be minimal because the individual is only losing their ability to exclude others from a very small portion of their land.

I always listened to some rock (usually late 60's and 70's stuff), country music and some newer rock like pearl jam or Red Hot Chili Peppers. Californication can really get the blood pumping on that long drive back. Now it's mostly country and rocking country. Bands like Reckless Kelly, Micky and the Motorcars, Randy Rogers Band and maybe some Lucero or Drive By Truckers, depending on who's driving. Where do you go to law school, TF? By the way, Neil Young is GREAT bar review music.

Honestly, I have always favored dry flies during the winter at Taneycomo. I love throwing bushy EHC's in a 12 or 14. I'll switch between tan, black, dark brown, etc. I really like it because the fish seem very aggressive and you can catch them in pretty much any riffle. When they shut down, move to the next riffle and keep moving. Geez, I guess it's been two years ago now, but I hooked into a monster of a rainbow that came out of the depths up by the hatchery. That was incredible.

Not sure if it is "creepy," but certainly scary. It was over either Labor Day or Memorial weekend, I was fishing on the Norfork tailwater in the trophy section at night. I waded up the river and fished. I twas really foggy and eerie and the fish weren't biting. I began to walk back down stream to the handicap access along the bank. When about 15 feet in front of me, several deer burst out of the water and up the bank. I nearly crapped my pants that night.

Here's a thought. If they are crowding you, it's probably because they have seen you catch fish and they are not catching fish. So, if they are coming upstream to crowd and I've fished that area long enough, I ask them if they just want to switch spots. If they do and I start catching fish below them, they usually figure out that it is not the spot that is the problem.

Ah I miss those days when RR was just a short drive away. Partying with the boys on Saturday night, ending the consumption early in the evening. Up and at 'em before light. Stopping and getting a good breakfast waiting for the weather to get relatively warm. Passing Tim's and making that descent to the park. Getting out of the truck to be greated by a crisp, clean and awakening shot of winter and being the only fisherman in sight. Fishing all day, no matter how cold and really rippin' lips. Making that drive back, stopping at either the Hardee's in Cassville or the DQ in Sarcoxie. I think that RRSP is a little magical during the C & R Season. However, I now occupy my time chasing birds during the C & R season and I wouldn't have it any other way.

What an incredible bunch of responses. I am not saying -- "Don't Fish" I'd just like for everyone, including myself, to try to be better stewards of our resources, that's it. The argument that the fish is under more stress by just being hooked is illogical because, in this case, the stress is not mutually exclusive, but rather, compounded. I think that most biologists would agree and their science is supported by common sense, that using a net or not touching the fish at all is better and LESS stressful for the fish than to hook them, drag them through the water and then pull them onto the rocks. I stated my opinion, nothing less, nothing more. If you don't like it, take your own advice.

Yup, nothing like those beautiful Crane Creek brood rainbows dragged onto the rocks.

Man, that sounds/looks like a good gig. The guy who started me flyfishing lives and works in Dillingham. We are trying to arrange a flyout to float some rivers in the area, but everything seems incredibly high. Any thoughts or suggestions? We are looking at the second week of July.

Do you drive a seventy-four coupe deville? With the leather seats, power, weathered wood on the wheel?

Soggy, I think it's his method that is going to give him the greatest amount of trouble. He's facing federal, not state charges. The type of fishing he was doing was commercial fishing, shipping the eggs, using a boat, the net itself, all these things are going to invoke the FG's commerce clause powers. However, that County Attorney who was accepting lap dances in exchange for the non-prosecution of drug and traffic violations didn't get crap, I truly doubt this guy is going to get much more than a big fine.

EAT THEM!!! They are really a great fish to eat, the meat is really white. Many people think they are trash fish, but they are actually very predatory like bass. My father in-law is a big bow fisherman and I never even thought about eating them (we'd just catch them on white jigs and let them go b/c they were HUGE) until he brought a mess home one afternoon and we fried them up. They take a bit of work because you have to trim the filets up to get rid of any dark meat, but are really freaking tasty.

This makes me really, really sad.