I would also like to add, that since Al and Marty's names were dragged into this, that I enjoy and look forward to their contributions to a discussion. They, as well as others, always add value to a conversation as it will be based in fact and not some incoherent drivel. They also have the ability to learn from others knowledge and not consitantly argue anyone who does not stroke their ego even if they are an actual biologist or those with a biology degree that frequent this house.
I enjoy good discussions with others. We used to have a lot of those here. I have learned and or formed a different opinion on subjects because of Al and Marty. I may still at times disagree with the finer points of a subject, but have always agreed on the main direction.
Ahhh the good ol days.