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"This kind of talk"? I believe I have been trying to be nothing but respectful, and informative. I made a comment about not shopping at Dicks, and answered a question as to why. My answers have been based on fact, not political agenda driven media hype. But I will let it go at this.
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No offence, but you either live in a sheltered world, or have an obvious lack of knowledge on the subject. I quite often hunt with handguns. Since 1972 I have hunted deer with a 44 Magnum revolver. For the past several years I have used a Thompson Center Contender handgun. I also have, and at times still do carry a 10MM Glock G20. My son that has several AR platform HUNTING rifles also has a Glock G40 in 10MM for hunting in Missouri's Alternative Methods deer season. What was formally called "muzzle loader" or "black powder" season. But now also allows centerfire handguns. Not only in Missouri is there a special season where handguns are used for deer hunting. Illinois, and many other states have a specific handgun deed hunting season. As for the use of the AR, or any semi-automatic rifles in school shootings, the first school mass shooting was at the University of Texas in 1966. 13 killed, 31 wounded. The weapons used. Remington 700 volt action "hunting" rifle. Remington 141 "hunting" rifle. Sears model 60 "hunting" shotgun. Maybe a few facts over liberal news media fiction on the subject could help you expand your knowledge of the subject.
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Today the AR 15, and AK 47. Tomorrow the 1911, and Glock. The next day the Remington 1100 and Browning A5. Military, full auto true assault rifles are already highly regulated, and quite expensive to own. If the AR platform is banned, those intent on harming others will just find another tool to use.
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A bit of informed reading of you have a mind to know the truth. https://www.nssf.org/msr/
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Before the M16, a modification of the Armalite Rifle patent 15 designed for the Armalite Corporation by Eugene Stoner the US military used the M14. A modification it's self of the M1 Garand of WWII. The M1 being another of those "military" rifles that according to you should been kept in it's "proper" place in the military. Except that the M1 has been used in civilian target competition for many decades. Only to be replaced by the M1a which is a semi-auto variant of the M14. Much like the AR 15 is the semi automatic version of the M16, or current issue M4. Both of these civilian versions of military rifles operate no different than the long time deer favorite of many hunters, the Remington 742, and it's various incarnations over the years. Same for Browning's BAR hunting rifle. Pull the trigger, one round is fired, the spent case ejected, fresh round loaded, and sear set waiting for the next trigger pull to fire another round. A system dating back to the early 20th century, over 100 years old. The "furniture" on a rifle does not change the way it operates, only it's appearance.
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Quick Memorial W/E Report, Taneycomo
Gatorjet replied to Phil Lilley's topic in Upper Lake Taneycomo
Get ready for the fish to shut off. I'm coming down Tuesday! LOL -
Their anti-Second Amendment policies go far beyond modern sporting rifles. The first thing they did when they took over the Galyan's store in West County Center was remove all handguns, and handgun ammunition. That was probably 10 or 15 years ago, and I haven't seen a reason to buy from them since. That has been my personal choice. Of course any merchant has the right to "separate" products any way they want. But when they do so in order to make a political point, and make a big deal out of it they deserve to lose business from people who disagree. BTW as a side point, the AR platform is one of the most popular sporting rifles today. My son took a fine Northern Missouri 10 point buck with an AR chambered in 6.8 Remington SPC. A rifle that he built from a vast array of AR15 parts that are available on the market. That flexibility alone is what makes that particular rifle platform so popular. Buy the lower receiver, which technically is the "gun" (serial numbered part) and without all the machining, and finish work of a gunsmith that would be required with a bolt action receiver, you can build a great spotting firearm in chamberings from 22 caliber to 50 caliber.
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So then Trout Magnets, and Gulp Worms on a tiny jig head, along with curly tail grubs, and Road Runners are not allowed anywhere in the park?
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Any Brown I catch will be saved for later fishermen. A bit more educated, and maybe photographed, but saved for the next guy.
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Going to Bennett for the first time in early June. I have questions about what appears to be mostly the revenue generation rules. Three zones, OK I can see a special zone for the fly rod purists to enjoy their sport without bait dunkers around. But what constitutes a "fly"? Is any single hook lure considered a fly? Is a jig a fly? Now, zone 2, flys and artificial lures. Are soft bodied lures permitted. Like Trout Magnets, or twister tail grubs, Road Runners, etc.? Zone 3 Only soft plastic bait, unscented or natural and scented bait allowed. But all flys and lures are prohibited even if natural or scent has been added. Does this make the now very popular on Taneycomo Gulp worm on a tiny jig head under a float illegal in zone 3. If it is not legal because it is a lure is it then legal in zone 2 because it is a lure? Now, if jigs are legal in zone 1 because they are a "fly", would the jig tipped with a Gulp worm be legal because it is considered a fly or lure in zone three? State revenue generation opportunities at their best. Now you need to have a lawyer accompany you on fishing trips!!!
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Seth, gonna be a Gator growling on the lake May 29-June 1.
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So the Gulp worm has taken over from the Trout Magnet as the guide's favorite. Has anyone been trying the Trout Magnet anyway?
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I don't patronize Dick's Sporting goods...PERIOD!!!
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Fished about 3 hours after I arrived at Lilleys Landing Wednesday afternoon 4/18. At first no luck on black/olive/ olive 1/8 oz jig. Lots of wind forced me to use the bigger jig even though generation was fairly slow. Did have a big brown well over 20" follow the jig up to the boat. But no takes. I worked that area of the bluff near Cooper Creek ramp for some time with no success. Moved down lake a ways, and changed to a olive/peach/burnt orange head jig of the same size. Ended up with four bows all in the upper 13" to just over 14" range. Four fish, 4.14 pounds. Wouldn't be a bad half of a team tournament weigh in bag. Slower fishing Thursday morinin. After trying for that big brown again, I moved on down to where I had the good fish the previous evening. One fish of the same size is all I came up with. Picked up a few 10 and under fish there, and at Monkey Island. Thursday evening, on a tip from Phil, I fished around the dredge just above the resort. Caught several, a couple close to the size I caught down lake, but just slightly smaller. As opposed to the previous day, and location when I only got hit by dragging the bottom with the jig, these fish wanted the jig swimming about 4-6 feet under the surface. Caught a few on the pink gulp worm 5' under a float. But these were even smaller. The strong winds came back Friday morning, and fishing was tough. Big bows in your line, boat moving the opposite direction from the current. All making it tough to cast, and to feel a bite. I managed one pretty good fish at Monkey Island, and one at the lower end of the Cooper Creek area. Had some friends coming down for a golf outing. Them, not me LOL. Took them out, and hit my Cooper Creek area. A few small fish, and one ortwo of the bigger ones. Moved out to the middle on the lower end where the houses start. Still bouncing the olive/peach/burnt orange jig on rhe bottom I caught a very nice bow. Probably in the 1 1/2 lb. range. Moved to Monkey Island without much success on anything but a few under 10" fish. For the last hour or so we fished around the dredge again. Caught a few more decent fish, and a few dinks. Again, swimming the jigs about 4-6 feet deep. Don't know if it makes a lot of difference, but I will mention it. The only line I use for straight line jigging is 2# Maxima Ultra Green.
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Fished about 3 hours after I arrived at Lilleys Landing Wednesday afternoon 4/18. At first no luck on black/olive/ olive 1/8 oz jig. Lots of wind forced me to use the bigger jig even though generation was fairly slow. Did have a big brown well over 20" follow the jig up to the boat. But no takes. I worked that area of the bluff near Cooper Creek ramp for some time with no success. Moved down lake a ways, and changed to a olive/peach/burnt orange head jig of the same size. Ended up with four bows all in the upper 13" to just over 14" range. Four fish, 4.14 pounds. Wouldn't be a bad half of a team tournament weigh in bag. Slower fishing Thursday morinin. After trying for that big brown again, I moved on down to where I had the good fish the previous evening. One fish of the same size is all I came up with. Picked up a few 10 and under fish there, and at Monkey Island. Thursday evening, on a tip from Phil, I fished around the dredge just above the resort. Caught several, a couple close to the size I caught down lake, but just slightly smaller. As opposed to the previous day, and location when I only got hit by dragging the bottom with the jig, these fish wanted the jig swimming about 4-6 feet under the surface. Caught a few on the pink gulp worm 5' under a float. But these were even smaller. The strong winds came back Friday morning, and fishing was tough. Big bows in your line, boat moving the opposite direction from the current. All making it tough to cast, and to feel a bite. I managed one pretty good fish at Monkey Island, and one at the lower end of the Cooper Creek area. Had some friends coming down for a golf outing. Them, not me LOL. Took them out, and hit my Cooper Creek area. A few small fish, and one ortwo of the bigger ones. Moved out to the middle on the lower end where the houses start. Still bouncing the olive/peach/burnt orange jig on rhe bottom I caught a very nice bow. Probably in the 1 1/2 lb. range. Moved to Monkey Island without much success on anything but a few under 10" fish. For the last hour or so we fished around the dredge again. Caught a few more decent fish, and a few dinks. Again, swimming the jigs about 4-6 feet deep. Don't know if it makes a lot of difference, but I will mention it. The only line I use for straight line jigging is 2# Maxima Ultra Green. View full article
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Elfrink Trout Tournament this Saturday
Gatorjet replied to Phil Lilley's topic in Upper Lake Taneycomo
Not as worried about the wet. Just don't much like being in the middle of a lake, in an aluminum boat, with a graphite rod in my hand during a thunder storm! Could be an "electrifying" experience. -
Elfrink Trout Tournament this Saturday
Gatorjet replied to Phil Lilley's topic in Upper Lake Taneycomo
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Three "well over a pound" and one pushing two pounds wouldn't be anything discouraging. Add four of the fat 12" fish that have been pretty common from the Landing to Fall Creek, and it wouldn't be a bad bag to weigh. Unless Greg and his partner hit the trifecta with another huge Brown!
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Maxima Ultra Green. 2# for all jig fishing. 4# for jerkbaits. 6# main line, 2# leader for drift rigs. Nanofil with Berkley Vanish leader for jig & float.
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40th annual Dummy Trout Invitational
Gatorjet replied to Smithvillesteve's topic in Upper Lake Taneycomo
A friend who is one of the guys that started RAW 30 years ago invited me. I first told him why do I want to fish a trout tournament? Those skinny little fish will swim out the overflow on my live well. But I went ahead and tried it. Some 27 years later I haven't missed one! Even when my arm was in a sling after elbow surgery. My son and I now also fish the Masters, and Elfrink. Plus a good friend and I fish the Firefighters benefit tournament in August, and will be joining in on the MOAFS tournament at Lilleys Landing in May. Great fun always. I find your one fish, big fish weigh in quite interesting. -
Saw that from the Landing side. They had a couple people on the docks trying to wave people down. Who do they think would notice from all the way across the lake. They told me that they were replacing the cable, and it slipped. Not supposed to do that. Hope they learned, and have a safety boat on the lake next time. Saw the Lilley's boat hit the cable, and take a big jump sideways. Thankfully the people in it were OK. I saw you over there helping to warn boaters. On our side it wasn't out in the lake as far, and protected by the docks. So we moved on.
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Team Gatorjet Boats Fishing missed our 9th top ten finish in the past 11 years by .08 pound. Mostly on jigs. Brown/orange/orange head, Sculpin/Peach/orange head, gray/white/whote head, Pink/white, and chartreuse/white. But like Team Seth, our largest came on a live crawler 1/2 hour before weigh in. Still a great day on the water with my son! Our cabin mate is used to getting up early, and had us up by 6:30. Packed up, checked out, and the Gator on the trailer by 8:30. After a great breakfast at Grand Country Buffet we got out of Btown in time to miss the melee on I-44.
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Thanks Phil, just saw the change of location. Great idea.
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Would "put and take fishery" then exclude Taneycomo? I certainly would consider a 20" rainbow out of anywhere in Taneycomo a trophy.
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1. The information from SWPA is notorious for being wrong quite often. 2. Yes, they control generation based on need, but CoE can, and does tell them to release more through the turbines as part of the flood control plan. So it's a little of both. so if the CoE wanted to lower the level in Winter, and the lake wasn't at, or near flood stage, it would be by running the turbines.
