This is a really good point Bman. Most newcomers to the sport are unaware that it can be used for more than a visual reference preceeding a strike. Most are so focused on the indicator, that they are unaware of what is below the surface. I like your reference as a "tool". Pin point drifting, sighting in, depth control, and the ability to lace an entire run of water. I started out fly fishing without an indicator, and like the old dog and new tricks, that's me. Heck, indicators weren't even on the drawing boards back then. Good to hear from you again.