One last thought from me, sometimes people forget that it doesn't hurt to be a little stealthy. Had a boat come full speed into Viney, guy cuts the engine while still on plane, runs to the front and drops the troller in, I mean DROPS it. This is about 50 feet down the bank from me which I thought was a bit discourteous, but I had already worked that piece of bank over. Anyway the giant 2 foot rollers crash into the bank, and the guy makes 4 or 5 casts with a crank right on the bank, pulls the troller and U-turns out at practically full throttle. Back seater didn't even get out of the passenger seat.