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AAAaaahhh Poop! Now they all smell like powerbait! Good thing it was a FLOATER! I wonder if they are all stained blue now?

I always pick up a few browns this time of year, but the majority seem to move up closer to the spring in the winter. I really wish they would dump a load of rainbows in the area between the park and cedar grove once a year to add to the fishing.

I know alot are buying AR-15's for the simple fact that the right may be taken away from them. And handguns are on the increase because the economy is bad and crime is going to increase.

Anybody been above in the trophy area lately?

Any body been lately??

The Missouri River adds alot to the silt and the pollution, as does St Louis and Cape, and many other towns along the river. They have done alot of work around here with the sturgeon. Walleye and white bass run up the tributaries and we catch them down here, I just don't eat them anymore.

Just run across this in the local paper. Yuck. It would take alot of cleaning. Just standing on the banks in the summer and smelling it would keep me out of it. Then there is the mud. And the fish advisory, if it is not safe to eat fish out of it, why would any want to swim in it. It would be nice if they did clean it up, anything would help. Published Dec 27, 2008 Recreation reclassification: EPA wants Mississippi River designated as safe for swimmers Whenever Huck Finn wanted to cool off on a hot summer day, his creator, Mark Twain, would write the boy into a swimming session in the Mississippi River. The EPA wants real people today to be able to swim in the river as well. In a recent letter to the Missouri Department of Natural Resources, Benjamin Grumbles, the EPA's assistant administrator for the Clean Water Program, told the department to take another look at its recreation-use designation for the Mississippi River from the Meramec River to the Ohio River. Grumbles reminded Missouri's pollution police agency that the federal Clean Water Act presumes that rivers, streams and lakes should be clean enough for swimming. If the water is not safe, the law allows the state agency to show why it is not possible to make the water clean. And on Jan. 7, DNR staff will recommend the state Clean Water Commission change the Mississippi's designation from secondary-contact recreation, a standard that covers boating, fishing and wading, to whole-body contact. The result could mean new requirements for expensive upgrades at sewage treatment plants along the river, including the Cape Girardeau plant. The Mississippi River is one of the most studied rivers in the world. At the Open River Field Station in Jackson, the Missouri Department of Conservation monitors several factors related to water quality, including indicators of fertilizer pollution, the acidity of the water and how much dirt and sand is in the water. But the key measure for human contact with the water is the level of E. coli, a bacteria present in human and animal waste that reaches the river in the discharge from sewage treatment plants and in the runoff from open land where livestock and wildlife graze. "When you are swimming, you are probably never going to swallow enough water" to have health problems caused by fertilizer or chemical pollutants, said John Ford, an environmental specialist with DNR's Water Pollution Program. "The only risk you have from swallowing a small amount of water is bacteria and protozoans." In recent years, the DNR has reviewed the classifications for 3,600 stream segments and 400 lakes and designated the water for whole-body contact. The DNR passed on classifying 142 other bodies of water, and the EPA made determinations of a whole-body contact designation for 141. The remaining unclassified water was the Mississippi River from Dam 27 north of St. Louis to the Ohio River. Of that 195.5-mile stretch, the EPA is seeking a whole-body contact designation on 1.3 miles from Dam 27 to North Riverfront Park in St. Louis, and 164.7 miles from the Meramec to the Ohio. The approximately 30 miles of river remaining, mainly along the St. Louis riverfront, will retain a designation that swimming is not recommended. "The Clean Water Act sets out that recreation shall be available in and on the waters of the United States," said John DeLashmit of the EPA's Region 7 office in Kansas City. "The rebuttable presumption is that unless we are shown otherwise that United States waters are safe for swimming and other aquatic recreation. The DNR did not submit anything showing that is not attainable on the Mississippi River." Data collected at Thebes, Ill., by the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency shows that the E. coli levels in the river fluctuate widely. At times, the bacteria is almost nonexistent. At others, especially in periods immediately after heavy rains, the level spikes to counts that are as much as seven times the proposed maximum level for whole-body contact. The mathematical model for analyzing the data, however, shows bacteria counts are generally below the strictest current standard for whole-body contact. But because that Class A designation is usually used for lakes and streams that have heavy swimming use at places such as swimming beaches, the DNR is asking that the Mississippi be placed in the Class B category. That category recognizes that people do swim in the river but that it is not a primary swimming destination, so the allowable bacteria counts are higher. The counts are based on readings taken between April 1 and Oct. 31, the defined recreation season, Ford said. Along with the designation for whole-body contact, the DNR must also determine whether the water is ready for the named use or if it is impaired and in need of a cleanup plan, said DeLashmit. If the river is impaired, he said, the DNR will write an improvement plan that could include recommendations on controlling livestock runoff, for example. Regardless of whether the river is listed as impaired, the designation for whole-body contact means sewage treatment plants along the river will have to make improvements. Because the river is not designated for full contact now, said John Hoke, an environmental specialist and use attainability coordinator for the DNR, no plant discharging into the river is required to disinfect its effluent. When a plant dumps into a river or lake that is designated for swimming, it must disinfect the effluent. The limits on the discharge are a mean reading of 400 colonies of fecal coliform per 100 milliliters, with a daily maximum reading of 1,000 colonies per 100 milliliters. "What it means practically in terms of wastewater treatment plants is that they would be required to disinfect," Hoke said. The disinfection requirement would be put in place when a plant's permit is renewed. Cape Girardeau discharges an average of 5.5 million gallons of treated sewage daily into the Mississippi from the wastewater treatment plant at 429 Cooper St., said Dennis Hale, plant manager. The city does not disinfect the wastewater. The two common disinfecting methods are chlorination and ultraviolet light, Hale said. Installing disinfecting equipment would be the first major upgrade to the plant since it was constructed in the 1970s, Hale said. "As far as what it would cost, I would hate to guess," Hale said. "Either one would be pretty expensive." The whole-body contact designation would be an invitation to the public to take a new look at the river. Many people have a mistaken impression that the river is far too polluted for swimming, several sources said. "There is a big plus to getting people back on the Mississippi River," Ford said. "The resource is there to be used, and there are some really interesting places on the river." rkeller@semissourian.com 388-3642 Does this affect you? Have a comment? Log on to semissourian.com © Copyright 2008, Southeast Missourian Story URL: http://semissourian.com/article/20081227/N...12279992/0/NEWS

Nothing wrong with Taurus quality, just its marketing skills. For some unknown reason, truckers have liked 410 pistols and there is a market for them. You can buy a buckshot load with 5 pellets that packs a good punch. They are lightly rifled to stabilize a 45 colt bullet, but not enough for it too be accurate at any distance. It is a novelty, how many people shoot snakes in MO any more anyway. Maybe Texas. Personally I like my 45 acp and Mossberg 500 when the things go bump in the night.

With a little time and some tools, you could turn a rock from your Homewater's into a base. Problem is around here most are made out of Sandstone and too brittle....

I just ran across this on Ebay, thought about all of you sitting out there with Christmas money burning a hole in your pockets. Solid rock pedestal bases for your vice, they look pretty nice. Better than carrying around a chunk of steel. Granitefly Pedestal Bases.

I thought so, I was also thinking something new had come out. Chuck came to a meeting here locally back in the early 90's, great guy and great book. He has another book All About Flies I think that is pretty good. I would have to go thru the rack to know for sure. Other good books for the area are Homewaters by the Midsouth Fly Fishers out of Memphis and Ozark Trout Tales. You can usually find a copy or 2 on Ebay.

I purchased a nice used Mossberg 500 Mariner from the shop last spring. It was one of several that a local police force turned in on trade. Works great, great boat gun. Sits in corner with buckshot and slugs in it waiting for action.

Is it the one by Chuck Tryon?

I never had one freeze up but I dinged up the blades on mine last week busting 1/2 inch ice to the blind. The chunks were building up behind the boat and getting caught in the blade.

Good luck, I own Pentax and my buddy and photo cohort owns Canon equip. Both are backwards compatible with the 35mm stuff. Lenses are pretty common at the shops and on Ebay.

Our numbers have been spotty here. I have not put forth near the efforts I normally do as it has been dry here. This tends to keep them on refuges and not out in fields and bottoms. I have been blessed with some good hunts, but have been froze up lately. I passed a little pond today and saw 100 canadas around it, started to ask the owner if I could shoot them out. Snows are better tasting than most ducks. You can breast them and grind the meat and make a summer sausage that tastes pretty good. We really need to kill all we can, most won't for fear of having to clean them.

You are keeping us in suspense, what was it?

I am not really sure, probably because it is flat and treeless and hi power bullets carry too far. It has nothing to do with the amount of deer. It has been that way for as long as I can remember. CCW is not honored in IL, one of the worst states in the nation close to us. I don't know if you can carry one into IL without being a resident. IL residents have to carry a handgun in a locked case out of the passenger compartment. Your only defense may be the peaceful journey thru their state clause, it may work.

Yes, as usual, you are way too far ahead and not paying attention here! ***We don't need the new laws, the ones we have are sufficient to combat the problem. (I am not the one that proposed any new laws or taxes. Your buddy did.) I Did Not Vote For The Guy or Ever Say You Did.. ***Our government officials should spend their time on more important things. (And they most likely would if it wasn't for these idiots.) I Think We Agree On That But I Am Not Sure. ***We need more law enforcement in the areas. (I am confused? I thought they had more important things to do?) MDC Has Better Things to Do, Not The Local Sheriff Or Forestry Rangers Who Should Control The Problems... ***Business owners should be in control of their patrons while they use their products. (You don't seem to think this about guns? Rental cars? I smell big brother lurking over my shouler.) Gun Shops Do Background Checks on ALL of Their Gun Buyers.. I think the smell is something backing up in your waders! ***Parents should raise their kids properly so they don't display this behavior. (Who says they didn't. Did you ever act this way in front of mom?) Don't even know what you are trying to say. ***Meanwhile, if you know there are going to be crowds, drunk or sober, fishing and a good time on the river is probably going to be ruined. Fish a less crowded river and enjoy it during the weekend. I do. (Did you not read that?) I did, just making sure you got it. ***I really don't know how you can get politics involved in this. (You did read the very first post on this thead? The one you started this all off with? It was about a politician that wanted to pass a law? A republican. So between him and soggy, that is where I got it. ) Sure I did, I was the one who posted the article. I thought he was an idiot for trying to pass it and is wasting tax payer dollars pursuing it. I did not vote for him, not my district, definitely not my veiws. I don't care what party he is, I thought the idea was dumb. Never was it a Conservative/Liberal issue till you tossed it up!

All fish are to be caught out and consumed before the water warms up and kills them. That is the goal and it usually works that way. Opening day of Catch and Keep brings out the cheeser's like March 1 at the Trout Parks. I don't think it is the reason for the 4 limit.

You will still need to see what the problem is with IE, may be a virus or spyware.

Here we go, I am typing slowly again, We don't need the new laws, the ones we have are sufficient to combat the problem. Our government officials should spend their time on more important things. We need more law enforcement in the areas. Business owners should be in control of their patrons while they use their products. Parents should raise their kids properly so they don't display this behavior. Meanwhile, if you know there are going to be crowds, drunk or sober, fishing and a good time on the river is probably going to be ruined. Fish a less crowded river and enjoy it during the weekend. I really don't know how you can get politics involved in this.

No problems with asking questions. I have been fishing for trout in MO for 25 years now and have spent alot of time with MDC and AG&F talking trout with them over the years. They are always open to suggestions and welcome any input. Next time you go to Montauk, go to the hatchery office and ask for a tour or give them a few questions. They are always happy to take time to talk to you.

While it is true they don't serve the alcohol, they have a responsibility to control their customers while they are using their equipment and have a liability if something happens to them while using their equipment. They also shuttle the beer and underage drinkers in their busses. We did not have this problem 10 years ago, with visible enforcement of laws on these sections, the problem could stop again.

I know that they have been looking at ways to do just that. We have gotten several winter trout programs in the last 10 years that did not exist before. They are limited by the amount of natural flowing cold streams that will allow trout to survive. And the same limitation is affecting the production as the hatcheries are fed by springs or cold water from a bottom discharge lake like Taneycomo. Recent years, droughts have cut flows from springs and really cut into production of trout. The only one that has a good, constant, supply of cold water would be Shepard of the Hills at Branson due to the lake water.