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I don't know if it will. Click on Help, About Mozilla Firefox, and check the version number. Since it is a new version, you may have to download and run setup to upgrade.

Firefox released the latest full version a few weeks ago and broke a new record with Guiness. 8 million downloads in 24 hours. The new version is great, I have been using it since the first beta was released for download. Give it a try if you haven't already. Mozilla.com Link

I got out today for a few hours on a local creek with some friends. Caught a few smallies in the Misty Rain. Kinda hard to imagine 74 degrees on a July 4 summer day. The creek water was cold and a breeze was blowing. Dam Global Warming!

The 9' 5 wts should be good for bass on streams and ponds. I use an Orvis 7'9" 5wt Far and Fine and my new 8' 5 wt Trout Bum for stream fishing. I also have in my quiver several light 4 wts that fish streams well also, a 7' One ounce by Orvis, a 7'6" Stowaway 5 pc from Cabelas, and a 8'6" HLS Adams from Orvis that work well for smallies and gills. I have landed gar to 42" long and carp that have weighed 5lbs with all of them, even the One Ounce. I tend to stick to shorter rods in streams and pull out the longer rods on big rivers, ponds, and lakes. The 9' rods tend to hit trees more in most of the creeks and streams, they are harder to cast in heavy cover. If you are tossing big poppers or streamers, you will need a 7 or an 8wt to go the distance and punch thru wind on ponds and lakes. If you keep the flies small and light, your 5wt should do well. 9' is good for a boat or open bank and you can get better line control with the longer rods. I have in the past 4 years started buying 4 and 5 piece rods instead of 2 piece rods. The technologies keep the multi-piece rods light and strong. Cabela's Stowaway rods are a great value and are on sale now. They come with a decent reel and rod/reel case in several weights for less than $150.

Yeah..... Thanks guys.

Nothing wrong with that, might even stop him from doing it in the future. It was probably not the first time he did that.

Riverside Resort is a great place. Crowds are controlled and place is kept up nice. They have 5 full cabins and 8 or 10 camper cabins. Usually booked up in advance, call early. Fishing is good in that area. They rent out float trips also. Riverside link

We don't need any more control or regulations, just enforcement of laws already in place. Most problems are with stolen and illegal guns or with people that are illegal to own guns in the first place. Legal guns and legal gun owners are seldom a problem. Bigred, unless the system was overloaded because it was close to hunting season, it should have only taken a few minutes. I have purchased several longuns and handguns in the last few years at shops and gunshows. I have never had to wait, I am usually verified in the same amount of time it takes me to fill out the yellow form. With the new law that did away with the trip to the sheriff last August, handguns are a breeze and sales have picked up. I like it because if I see one I like, I can buy it then and there and be done. The old way, you decided you wanted a gun, went to the sheriff and got a permit to purchase, then went shopping for a gun.

Fill your tank with water or diesel and let them steal that. Might find a boat floating around later in the lake that won't start. No amount of gas is worth a human life. The decision to take another life should never be taken lightly, and should only be done if your life or someone elses life is in danger. Probably a bunch of kids with nothing better to do in the summer. Make sure you keep your kids busy with jobs, chores, or sports. Where are your kids tonight anyway? Around here they steal from farm equipment. Fuel and anhydrous amonia for the meth.

Hey, they are going to start shooting people stealing gas at the dock in Taneycomo.

It is not the first time I have fell short of a trout trip. I drove to Bennett one time and the front right brake seized up when I used the brakes. A brake hose was collapsing and I could not find the hose in Lebanon. Turned around and drove back thru STL trying not to use the brake, used 5 speed, clutch, and emergency brake to slow down. Had to use brakes twice, locked up when someone cut me off near Eureka and getting onto 270. Spent some time on shoulder till pressure let go. Made it to Salem one Sunday morning and stopped for coffee. Truck would not start when I got back in, bump started it and drove home. Broke the battery cable to the starter. No parts places open in Salem on Sunday back then. Driving up the Newburg hill outside of Rolla on 44 heading to Bennett, smoke started pouring out of back of car of the 94 Blazer. Tranny was foaming fluid out the overflow. Bought a case of fluid and started home, pulling over every time it overheated, let it cool, filled with fluid and headed on. Stopped at Meramec for the night and camped and fished. Drove to Sam A Baker on an Easter Weekend and the Popup would not stay up. Clutch mech would not grab in the cold temps. Wind chills were in lower 20's so we bagged it and came home. First camp we were going to, the water was froze up and the electric boxes were off due to flooding. Various flats, several lift cable repairs in camp, other minor repairs, severe flooding back in the day before the internet, misc other glitches. My Grandfather, Aunt, Uncle, and a few others passed away while we were gone camping with no way for family to get ahold of us. Most of the time we camp in places with no cell service and we hardly ever tell family where we are going. Good trips always outweigh the bad ones, I have just struck this one up as lucky to get home in one piece.

Look at my new thread under General Chat about Handguns the result for over half of suicides. Anti-gunners had to get a little air time also.

I usually avoid the parks in July and August, too crowded and too hot. I will get back up there in Sept. or Oct. Summer months are spent floating streams or fishing 11pt or Spring River. Having to cut back with high gas prices.

On the wake of last weeks decision on the 2nd Amendment, the thinkers have come up with other reasons that guns are bad for us. Seems like if a gun is present, so is the chance for homicide or suicide. Read on... More tax dollars wizzed away for this one... What about overdoses, jumping out of something, slitting wrists, or walking down a crime ridden street w/o a concealed handgun? Surprising fact: Half of gun deaths are suicides By MIKE STOBBE, AP Medical Writer 2 hours, 29 minutes ago ATLANTA - The Supreme Court's landmark ruling on gun ownership last week focused on citizens' ability to defend themselves from intruders in their homes. But research shows that surprisingly often, gun owners use the weapons on themselves. Suicides accounted for 55 percent of the nation's nearly 31,000 firearm deaths in 2005, the most recent year for which statistics are available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. There was nothing unique about that year — gun-related suicides have outnumbered firearm homicides and accidents for 20 of the last 25 years. In 2005, homicides accounted for 40 percent of gun deaths. Accidents accounted for 3 percent. The remaining 2 percent included legal killings, such as when police do the shooting, and cases that involve undetermined intent. Public-health researchers have concluded that in homes where guns are present, the likelihood that someone in the home will die from suicide or homicide is much greater. Studies have also shown that homes in which a suicide occurred were three to five times more likely to have a gun present than households that did not experience a suicide, even after accounting for other risk factors. In a 5-4 decision, the high court on Thursday struck down a handgun ban enacted in the District of Columbia in 1976 and rejected requirements that firearms have trigger locks or be kept disassembled. The ruling left intact the district's licensing restrictions for gun owners. One public-health study found that suicide and homicide rates in the district dropped after the ban was adopted. The district has allowed shotguns and rifles to be kept in homes if they are registered, kept unloaded and taken apart or equipped with trigger locks. The American Public Health Association, the American Association of Suicidology and two other groups filed a legal brief supporting the district's ban. The brief challenged arguments that if a gun is not available, suicidal people will just kill themselves using other means. More than 90 percent of suicide attempts using guns are successful, while the success rate for jumping from high places was 34 percent. The success rate for drug overdose was 2 percent, the brief said, citing studies. "Other methods are not as lethal," said Jon Vernick, co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore. The high court's majority opinion made no mention of suicide. But in a dissenting opinion, Justice Stephen Breyer used the word 14 times in voicing concern about the impact of striking down the handgun ban. "If a resident has a handgun in the home that he can use for self-defense, then he has a handgun in the home that he can use to commit suicide or engage in acts of domestic violence," Breyer wrote. Researchers in other fields have raised questions about the public-health findings on guns. Gary Kleck, a researcher at Florida State University's College of Criminology and Criminal Justice, estimates there are more than 1 million incidents each year in which firearms are used to prevent an actual or threatened criminal attack. Public-health experts have said the telephone survey methodology Kleck used likely resulted in an overestimate. Both sides agree there has been a significant decline in the last decade in public-health research into gun violence. The CDC traditionally was a primary funder of research on guns and gun-related injuries, allocating more than $2.1 million a year to such projects in the mid-1990s. But the agency cut back research on the subject after Congress in 1996 ordered that none of the CDC's appropriations be used to promote gun control. Vernick said the Supreme Court decision underscores the need for further study into what will happen to suicide and homicide rates in the district when the handgun ban is lifted. Today, the CDC budgets less than $900,000 for firearm-related projects, and most of it is spent to track statistics. The agency no longer funds gun-related policy analysis.

Actually, I blew out my radiator in Bunker on the way up. The truck belongs to my friend and family that was going to be camping with mine. We were driving up together and stopped to top off our tanks in Bunker about 30 minutes from Montauk when I noticed the leak. I found some Barrs Leak and poured it in and limped back home with my tail between my legs. I managed to keep from overheating and made back home. Plastic and aluminum radiator had a crack in the plastic on one side. The Barrs leak plugged it as long as the engine was running. When I stopped for a bathroom break, the split opened up again and started pouring out. Spent Saturday replacing the radiator.

You are right, ammo is the next step. First to lose was the Winchester Black Talon, it caused too much damage? It was intended to kill what it hit and it did, Winchester renamed to Failsafe, same design. Lead bullets and lead shot get eaten by game birds and condors, so no more lead in the field. Then there is the bullet fingerprinting of the barrel rifling. And some are suggesting serial numbers on ammo. My other pet peeve is all of the lock devices that come with today's firearms. Handguns have a trigger lock, all come in a lock box or with a trigger lock. Reloading is taking a hit too. On top of prices going higher than gasoline, some are suggesting restriction on amounts and components. I read a great statement the other day, take your stimulus check and buy a gun. Let the government buy your next gun.

I put this in Conservation Issues because it was about the preservation and management of a 2nd Amendment Right that had been endangered the last 20 years. Now, with this decision, hopefully all of the nonsense of the anti-gunners and anti-hunters will go away. We have made great strides in the past 5 years with the expiration of the law that restricted Hi Cap mags and military type weapons as everyday sporting guns. There was a time that a "Black Gun" was almost extinct, now almost all major manufacturers offer one. MO now has a castle law and a concealed carry option. I want to see the import ban lifted and have access to the fine firearms like the H&K rifles again, which are still LE only.

Any pics of the boat?

Nobama has been for and against guns, depending on what his speech writers feels the crowds want to hear. No matter what happens, he will change it.... McCain will probably be for them unless the dems convince him to vote the other way. Isn't the Brady Foundation headed by Sarah Brady, wife of the secret service agent that caught the bullet for Reagan? I don't think Mr. Brady is that vocal about the gun control.

And the criminals don't use legal guns. This is just going to affect the normal, law abiding citizens. Here is the story out of the local paper with each judge that was for or against. Supreme Court affirms gun rights in historic decision Friday, June 27, 2008 By MARK SHERMAN The Associated Press WASHINGTON — Silent on central questions of gun control for two centuries, the Supreme Court found its voice Thursday in a decision affirming the right to have guns for self-defense in the home and addressing a constitutional riddle almost as old as the republic over what it means to say the people may keep and bear arms. The court's 5-4 ruling struck down the District of Columbia's ban on handguns and imperiled similar prohibitions in other cities, Chicago and San Francisco among them. Federal gun restrictions, however, were expected to remain largely intact. The court's historic awakening on the meaning of the Second Amendment brought a curiously mixed response, muted in some unexpected places. The reaction broke less along party lines than along the divide between cities wracked with gun violence and rural areas where gun ownership is embedded in daily life. Democrats have all but abandoned their long push for stricter gun laws at the national level after deciding it's a losing issue for them. Republicans welcomed what they called a powerful precedent. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said merely that the court did not find an unfettered right to bear arms and that the ruling "will provide much-needed guidance to local jurisdictions across the country." But another Chicagoan, Democratic Mayor Richard Daley, called the ruling "very frightening" and predicted more violence and higher taxes to pay for extra police if his city's gun restrictions are lost. The court had not conclusively interpreted the Second Amendment since its ratification in 1791. The amendment reads: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." The basic issue for the justices was whether the amendment protects an individual's right to own guns no matter what, or whether that right is somehow tied to service in a state militia, a once-vital, now-archaic grouping of citizens. That's been the heart of the gun control debate for decades. The answer: Writing for the majority, Justice Antonin Scalia said an individual right to bear arms exists and is supported by "the historical narrative" both before and after the Second Amendment was adopted. President Bush said: "I applaud the Supreme Court's historic decision today confirming what has always been clear in the Constitution: The Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear firearms." The full implications of the decision, however, are not sorted out. Still to be seen, for example, is the extent to which the right to have a gun for protection in the home may extend outside the home. Scalia said the Constitution does not permit "the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home." The court also struck down D.C. requirements that firearms be equipped with trigger locks or kept disassembled, but left intact the licensing of guns. The district allows shotguns and rifles to be kept in homes if they are registered, kept unloaded and taken apart or equipped with trigger locks. Scalia noted that the handgun is Americans' preferred weapon of self-defense in part because "it can be pointed at a burglar with one hand while the other hand dials the police." But he said nothing in the ruling should "cast doubt on long-standing prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons or the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings." And in a concluding paragraph to the 64-page opinion, Scalia said the justices in the majority "are aware of the problem of handgun violence in this country" and believe the Constitution "leaves the District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that problem, including some measures regulating handguns." D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty responded with a plan to require residents to register their handguns. "More handguns in the District of Columbia will only lead to more handgun violence," Fenty said. In a dissent he summarized from the bench, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote that the majority "would have us believe that over 200 years ago, the Framers made a choice to limit the tools available to elected officials wishing to regulate civilian uses of weapons." He said such evidence "is nowhere to be found." Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a separate dissent in which he said, "In my view, there simply is no untouchable constitutional right guaranteed by the Second Amendment to keep loaded handguns in the house in crime-ridden urban areas." Joining Scalia were Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas. The other dissenters were Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter. Gun rights advocates praised the decision. "I consider this the opening salvo in a step-by-step process of providing relief for law-abiding Americans everywhere that have been deprived of this freedom," said Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association. The NRA will file lawsuits in San Francisco, Chicago and several Chicago suburbs challenging handgun restrictions there based on Thursday's outcome. Some Democrats also welcomed the ruling. "This opinion should usher in a new era in which the constitutionality of government regulations of firearms are reviewed against the backdrop of this important right," said Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont. The capital's gun law was among the nation's strictest. Dick Anthony Heller, 66, an armed security guard, sued the district after it rejected his application to keep a handgun at his Capitol Hill home a short distance from the Supreme Court. "I'm thrilled I am now able to defend myself and my household in my home," Heller said shortly after the opinion was announced. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled in Heller's favor and struck down the district's handgun ban, saying the Constitution guarantees Americans the right to own guns and a total prohibition on handguns is not compatible with that right. The issue caused a split within the Bush administration. Vice President Dick Cheney supported the appeals court ruling, but others in the administration feared it could lead to the undoing of other gun regulations, including a federal law restricting sales of machine guns. Other laws keep felons from buying guns and provide for an instant background check. The last Supreme Court ruling on the matter came in 1939 in U.S. v. Miller, which involved a sawed-off shotgun. Constitutional scholars agree it did not squarely answer the question of individual versus collective rights. The case is District of Columbia v. Heller, 07-290.

Well the ruling upheld the "Right To Keep and Bear Arms" stated in the second amendment. Keeping arms is owning, possessing, buying, selling, trading, displaying on one's person, property, home. Bearing arms is the carrying, transportation, and use of the firearm. It does not usually assume you can conceal. The DC law forbide the ownership of guns. The high court's 5-4 ruling Thursday said for the first time that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms, similar to the First Amendment right to free speech. This should turn the tide back against all the infringements that have happened in other states. We have been lucky in MO. I feel that while background checks are needed to weed out the nuts, there should never be any fees or taxes on gun ownership as it is an infringement on the Second Amendment also. NY Times report on the ruling.

The Supreme Court of the United States of America today UPHELD the rights of gun owners to the Second Amendment right to have a gun, carry a gun, own a gun, and use a gun if you want to. Sorry BRADY, Nobama, DC Liberals, criminals, and all others that oppose my 2nd Amendment Right. Things are starting to turn back to the good.

I am heading to Montauk in the morning for a weekend of family, friends, and fishing. Its starting out great, a thunderstorm just rolled thru and knocked the power out so the camping gear is getting used inside now. Camping in loop 4 in a popup next to a camper with an Overhead Door Service truck. Stop by and say hi. We had original reservations in April the week it flooded the second time. This was the first weekend that we could reschedule. I had alot of things to do, and the storm knocked the power out. Cooking on the camp stove and using the lantern. I will have to repack in the morning grrr. Looks like lots of storms this weekend, we need the rain.

Beetles have always worked great there, ants too are a killer. I am heading up in the morning, reservations that we rescheduled from April.

Great Article. I had read about the rainbow's history in MO, not the Browns history.