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I wasn't saying you are looking for a fight. Did anybody else? I was honestly curious about the safety measures to take if it was all loaded and ready to go. Out at a campsite you don't have as many options as you would at home. BTW, I know my dad never knew that I knew he had a loaded pistol in his top left dresser drawer under some hankerchiefs. He thought it was out of reach, heh, heh. Just sayin'.

I'm curious what safety measures you take with a gun and kids around on a camping trip? I presume it's loaded and you have easy access to it.

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The MU/KU rivalry is one of the good things about sports in a time when so much is not-so-good. I don't know what the actual quote from Self is, but it doesn't really amount to much in the grand scheme anyway. But, there is a sense that the rivalry got flushed only because there was money to be made elsewhere. Not because of an inevitable meltdown of the Big 12, not because SEC and MU are such a good fit. That grates on a lot of folks, especially sentimental old farts like myself. It's natural for the one left behind to feel jilted, just like it's natural for the one that left to thumb their nose. Missouri and Kansas Civil War roots are real, and an underpinning of the rivalry -- not something ESPN recently thought of or even just revived. It's not daily talk, but it's in the psyche of people around here, even if it's mostly a regional thing. The border wars prior to the Civil War were real, bloody and demonstrated the worst in mankind -- on both sides. Around here (KC) and Lawrence, there are a number of historical sites where the 'Bleeding Kansas' battles took place in the years leading up to the Civil War. Lawrence was sacked and burned of course, but there's also the battles of Osawatomie, Black Jack, Wakarusa and Marais des Cynges. The Kansas/Nebraska Act was the spark, Kansas' plan to enter the Union as a free state started things rolling, the border wars began and were a main cause of the war. That's important history, and KU's 'Jayhawk' is a constant reminder of that history. Class dismissed

Welcome David. Sounds like a great plan you've got there with the kids. Lots of good info here for the asking.

You seriously carry a gun when you fish? Dang, I guess I'm gonna have to carry too then. Just to make it nice and even.

Alright, I'm giving you a pass. So, do you tie professionally then?

Dude. I see that roll of TP sitting there on the left side in the first picture. Before I give you any suggestions on organization, I think you need to address that My tying area is multi-purpose. Right now it's a combination of seed-starting and rod-building messes.

OK...now I'm sure how they compare price-wise. Looks like $160 for the new Regal Traveller and $195 for the Renzetti. I think my Traveler was just over a hundo when I got it about 15 years ago.

That Regal is a classic. Real basic design that just works. Not sure how they compare to a Traveler price-wise, but I'd sure give them a look if I was getting a vise.

...searching the archives. Be back soon.

Renzetti Traveler, pedestal, older scew (not cam) jaws. It's a great tool -- well made and gonna outlast me. It'll spin, but I wouldn't call it a rotary vise. To me, rotary tying is kind of a specialty technique, and not really necessary for most folks to worry about. Honestly there are a lot of good ones out there.

Oh, I got convicted. Look it up on my county's web site.

Shoot JD -- you posted while I was typing. Same two things I read today.

I actually read Elder v. Delcour today at lunch. Pretty interesting to see how law gets made. I gotta say the old buffer was full by the time I was done. I wasn't confused per se, I couldn't think well enough for that. Also read Danforth's letter to the DA who was looking for guidance. I guess the takeaway is each stream has to be tested for a binding ruling. Ain't that just dandy?

Thanks Cricket, I didn't notice that. That dang "D" is right next to the "S" you know?

Well, I dunno JoeD. One of us Ozark Anglers has got him a justice of the peace staring right down at him for repeated trespassin on a feller's gravel bar on a non-navigable but public eased hiway of a crick. Nuther one said he'd tell the guy to go ahead and shoot, 'cause his wife is a lawyer. Yet another got run outta the Boy Scouts and later got sancioned for cheatin' on the Japanese bass circuit. Me, I got convicted of 38 in a 20 'bout ten years ago. One sells card fer a livin. So, we ain't all pure like you say.

Uncle.

That's some pretty solid logic there, Andrew. I wonder if any states have a setup like that? All that aside, JD is spot-on. You get more flies with sugar than shinola, er whatever. Respect, plus courtesy and common sense will get you further than insisting on being right will. Anybody who can boil down the stream access law into three or four bullet points wins a prize (to be announced at a later date).

1) First hand knowledge of a cub being seen <> you saw one, or have proof of one, right? 2) 1 Cub <> breeding population, necessarily, but it's a piece of evidence to consider. 3) Due diligence? How do you survey mountain lion populations? Door to door? I've said it before -- these guys are scientists, and they're not gonna say something unless they have evidence of it. They're not saying no, they're saying there's no evidence. You want black and white, watch cable news. You want scientific process, here's a definition: 'a method or procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.' You've got the hypothesis ....

I believe ness had a suggestion along those lines on about page 4. I'll shut up now.

I believe ness suggested that on page 3.

I think ness mentioned that on about page 2.

Great point ness, as always. I can see a nice packet of info, with all the pertinent information just ready to hand out to local officials whenever one of these things comes up. It'd be a great topic to discuss at organizations concerned with this stuff too, and they're always looking for someone to come talk at their meetings.