Carp... (flyfishing)stl

[esox niger]

Im new to carp specific fly fishing. Ive been out say 7-8 days this summer and not too much luck. I think im getting better yet its quite difficult. I spent this last weekend fishing to big heads or silvers in the femme osage creek. pretty sure they were asian cus they didnt seem to do anything but filter water and run from my fly. can these things be caught. ive heard people talk about catching the bigheads...im sceptical. maybe it was large mouth buffalo??

theres a couple of lakes at Busch wildlife, and ive fished to carp on the big river when it was low a few weeks back. that was pretty cool. maybe the water will go back down again. anyone know of better locations to sight fish. maybe horseshoe lake. i heard that avarages 2.5 feet and its good for bass. Ive also been to creve couer lake, lots of minnows and gar...I did see a mud flat, but no feeding carp. water was muddy...I dont think i like asian carp but if youve caught one on a fly id like to hear about it. any good carp water on the maramec? clear water would be awesome.

sorry for rambling

Thx

[snagged in outlet 3]

I've caught em. And they were big. Go to the Big Muddy below Rend Lake spillway or Carlisle or Kinkade. Click on the link below, I'm the guy with one on. It's nasty, muddy and smelly but they pull like a bull. I use a 9 weight and clousers. Haven't been there this year so I can't comment on what's up. Ask away and I'll try and answer your questions.

http://www.ozarkchronicles.com/forums/view...a106a01166320f4

I've hooked Buffs that I couldn't turn around with a nine weight. Had to break em off or lose my flyline.

SIO3

[trizkid]

are you talking about horseshoe lake in carondlet park?...theres some huge carp in there......iv heard about flying for crap....what type of flys do you use?

[esox niger]

I think mostly insect/crayfish looking patterns. woolybuggers maybe..and apparently clousers maybe fished dead drift???

I guess snagged in outlety three is talking aabout Buffalo carp??? when i fished femme osage creek off the missouri river I think all i saw was 99% asian carp and im not convinced it makes much sense to fish to them. as i think there primary food is zooplankton/algae...filter feeders.

and no i wasnt thinking about horseshoe in charondolet but basicly in east st. louis or there abouts.

whats the tactic for the tailwater fisheries snagged?

thanks for the input guys,

[snagged in outlet 3]

If you look at the link I posted most of the fish we caught were asians but I hooked big mouth buffalo that I couldn't turn around. I sight fished them so I knew what it was. Go to the tailwaters and throw into the big black areas. It's black from the asians stacked in there. Some fish are clearly flossed but some strike the clousers pretty hard.

Everyone says you can't catch asians because they filter feed but I've caught them on several trips so it wasn't a fluke. I think in the tailwaters alot fish come through and they will pick off whatever is there. Chartreuse and white clousers work very well.

SIO3

[MoCarp]

the bighead and silver "carp" are filter feeders and are no more catchable then a spoonbill

it should be noted Common Carp are nowhere near related to the other 2

seems every new fish thats not a pred is a "carp"in the USA

wade fish small rivers and fish nymphs in the evening in the riffles or tie a "bread fly" and fish where ducks are fed

use plenty of backing or your fight won't last long

[Kayser]

I know a few guys on another forum that fish for them below Rend Lake in the Big Muddy River. They use clousers and decievers (usually blue/white) and catch most everything that swims in the river, including bigheads, common carp, and buffalo.

Heres a video of them in action-

Rob

[esox niger]

awesome. thanks dudes

looks like good fun.

does anyone know what weekends are like at rend lake spillway?

now im wondering to myself....in the video i see "that dude" strip hard and fast and then raise his rod tip. was that a hook setting strip or is that the pace these guys are moving their fly?

thanks again guys for the new insight into tailwater fishing for warmwater species.

[Kayser]

That's just how fast its moving- it draws reaction strikes from the fish. There used to be a lot of posts on the Ozark Chronicles.com forum, but not so much this year. You can probably just ask for some info if you're planning a trip.

I asked a lot of questions, but never got around to making a trip. Still, everybody was a great help, and the main things I learned are: use a big rod; flies that look like shad; strip through the current, swing through the eddies. Other than that, experiment, and hang on.

Rob

[snagged in outlet 3]

Kayser and esox, if you look at the link I posted that's where we were. Me and Maxlinespeed. Cast ahead of the school and strip fast. I think they hit it better that way. The weekends are busy down there with locals, but they are very nice. They love to watch flyfishing. I caught , carp. asians, buffalo, hybrids, whitebass, drum and largemouth. Oh!!! Gar so big they'll scare you when you're wading. Caught fish to 3 or 4 feet long. Bring a stout stick or you're done.

Chartreuse and white worked for me.

SIO3