Sarah Palin

[mark hedger]

I am with Al. Palin was picked to energize the conservative base for McCain plain and simple. One of the conservative pundits said it best this morning, "This election will not be about the issues but will be about which ticket represents the values of average Americans". The same can be said for the past two elections and we can see where that has gotten us. Personally I am more concerned about resolving the considerable issues facing this country than imposing my morality on others.

[soggyfeet]

Isnt the values and views of the average American what the elections are supposed to be about. There wouldnt be issues if there weren't any values. And if the US didn't have morality we would be just another third world country. Do we really want a country were a person can steal, kill, rape, abuse and just do anything thing that fits their fancy? I dont think so, we need morality to keep a civilized country. Look South America, Mideast, Eastern europe, and Afica to name a few. No morality = chaos. Thats why we have elections is to put different people in power every eight yrs to put this country on a better track. But if they dont do their job we have the power to kick them out. I've had several people say they dont want the government to tell them what is moral and what isnt. I agree the people of tis country tell us that. If you or me do something that you wouldnt want tell people about it probally isnt moral. Im not saying there needs to be laws against it but there needs to regulations to keep people from doing it. Stiffer actions against first time offenders is a good start. No slap on the wrist, hit them hard the first time.

One problem I see with our government is if their is a good law that needs to be passed to do good for the majority is trumped by some piggbacking law that only helps a few and is bad or restrictive for the rest of us causeing the needed issue not to be taken care of. The two party system is broken and something needs to be done to fix it so the country may move forward instead of this stalemate we seem to be in now.

I know this topic was not brought up for this discussion but it seems these political topics always seem to drift.

[mark hedger]

Isnt the values and views of the average American what the elections are supposed to be about. There wouldnt be issues if there weren't any values. And if the US didn't have morality we would be just another third world country. Do we really want a country were a person can steal, kill, rape, abuse and just do anything thing that fits their fancy? I dont think so, we need morality to keep a civilized country. Look South America, Mideast, Eastern europe, and Afica to name a few. No morality = chaos. Thats why we have elections is to put different people in power every eight yrs to put this country on a better track. But if they dont do their job we have the power to kick them out. I've had several people say they dont want the government to tell them what is moral and what isnt. I agree the people of tis country tell us that. If you or me do something that you wouldnt want tell people about it probally isnt moral. Im not saying there needs to be laws against it but there needs to regulations to keep people from doing it. Stiffer actions against first time offenders is a good start. No slap on the wrist, hit them hard the first time.

One problem I see with our government is if their is a good law that needs to be passed to do good for the majority is trumped by some piggbacking law that only helps a few and is bad or restrictive for the rest of us causeing the needed issue not to be taken care of. The two party system is broken and something needs to be done to fix it so the country may move forward instead of this stalemate we seem to be in now.

I know this topic was not brought up for this discussion but it seems these political topics always seem to drift.

I probably should have tempered my comments about imposing morality. You made some good points. I realize there are alot of good people who have strong beliefs against abortion, evolution, gay marriage, etc. They view those issues to be black/white, right/wrong. There is nothing wrong with that as long as it applies to only to them because there are also alot of good people who do not share those same values and that should not make them criminals. If you believe that abortion is wrong then you do not have to get one, you can accept the tenants of intelligent design if you like, you do not have to marry someone of the same sex. You have the freedom to do those things. Why should you deny that freedom to those who disagree with you? That hardly separates us from being a 3rd world country. I do not agree that 3rd world countries are necessarily immoral. Immorality exists everywhere...rich/poor makes no difference. A better question would be at what point do value issues supercede national security, foreign policy, or economic issues?

[bigredbirdfan]

That is a resume?

Alaska is ranked as 47th in terms of ppulation which is what is governed. The people. But I did hear she stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

She's more qualified then Obama and you watch she will make Joe Done Nothing Biden look like a fool. This election won't even be close. You can mark my words. And why don't you all defending Obama just come on out and say he is the best thing since sliced bread at least you will have my respect.

[Trav]

It's not wether there qualified so much as who they surround themselves with. An executive is only as good as those he appoints under him.

Just for the record, I will take a mediocre republican over a good democrat anyday. And I don't think John or Sarah are mediocre. I think we have a couple strong leaders with them. I also believe they will be sure to have a much better cabinet to serve the American people than what Nobama's "strokers" can bring to the table.

Nobama is all about popularity where as John is about honost bipartisanship to actually get things done.

[Murdoc]

Soggyfeet,

Humble beginnings, Enlightend men? Anyone that can lie to a grand jury and actually put skeletons in the closets. (That's a great man. ha!) 100 days in actual office? Leader? Bill has never been in ordinary shoes and neither has Nobama! Please don't play the race card. This is a mix of comments that you can take or leave but true.

[oneshot]

Ok the Election before last I voted for Bush,last election I didn't.This Election I said there was no way I could vote for Mc Cain.Then I got to watching listening to what I seen and Heard.Then I was on the Fence.Well I've alawys been told to go with my Gut feeling on people.I decided to go with Mc Cain.

Now with Sarah Palin on the Ticket my gut is screaming this is the best we have had in years from either Party and I would be a Dang Fool to Vote for any other than the Mc Cain/Palin Ticket.I believe there will be changes in a very strong way.I believe this team is the ones to make them.

oneshot

[Fishhand]

Humble beginnings, Enlightend men? Anyone that can lie to a grand jury and actually put skeletons in the closets. (That's a great man. ha!) 100 days in actual office? Leader? Bill has never been in ordinary shoes and neither has Nobama! Please don't play the race card. This is a mix of comments that you can take or leave but true.

I don't quite follow you Murdoc...

1) Who lied to a grand jury? Are we talking Clinton from eight years ago?

2) 100 days in actual office? Is that referencing Obama's time in office?

3) When I said ordinary shoes I meant humble beginnings. Both Clinton and Obama have humble beginnings and, in my opinion, they will try and look out for the ordinary man. Not that McCain / Palin won't, but the Obama / Biden team is a better option, in my opinion. What makes people think if Obama were to be elected President, automatically he would lead America down some dark path to Marxism, Socialism, or God forbid....Communism. Clinton didn't...Clinton was a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. I'm in his boat. We've had to put up with Bush / Cheney for eight years, maybe it's time for us to put up with a different party's style of leadership for at least four years and see where it takes us.

4) I didn't play the race card.

5) "This is a mix of comments that you can take or leave but true" Does this mean your statements are true and I should quit typing?

[Phil Lilley]

I haven't weighed in on the election but you might guess where I stand...

I believe over the years our gov't has grown to be a monster steered by power-hungry men and women who care little about "the people"- that goes for either party with few exceptions in both. Three of the four candidates fit this profile no question. Not sure about the forth- no one probably at this point knows. But party machines behind each candidate will dictate for the most part what they do or don't do after being elected.

I believe in less gov't. Less involvement in business and the markets, less business in welfare as we know it, less business in many of the areas it has screwed up in the past. It should defend our borders, help other countries in peril when possible and build and maintain our infrastructure. I think welfare should be privatized. I think education should be privatized. I believe churches should care for the widowed and poor. Gov't should get out of much of the business it's in... but I'm not a fool. I know that will never happen.

That being said- our gov't should protect freedom. That includes the unborn starting at conception. The abortion issue is one that is of the foremost importance to me. It supersedes even my love for the outdoors.

[soggyfeet]

I probably should have tempered my comments about imposing morality. You made some good points. I realize there are alot of good people who have strong beliefs against abortion, evolution, gay marriage, etc. They view those issues to be black/white, right/wrong. There is nothing wrong with that as long as it applies to only to them because there are also alot of good people who do not share those same values and that should not make them criminals. If you believe that abortion is wrong then you do not have to get one, you can accept the tenants of intelligent design if you like, you do not have to marry someone of the same sex. You have the freedom to do those things. Why should you deny that freedom to those who disagree with you? That hardly separates us from being a 3rd world country. I do not agree that 3rd world countries are necessarily immoral. Immorality exists everywhere...rich/poor makes no difference. A better question would be at what point do value issues supercede national security, foreign policy, or economic issues?

Ok lets look at some of these issues this way(if this is not where the moderators want this to go let me know, I'm not tring to offend just debateing I guess). The gay thing doesnt really bother me. I dont know why they would want to call it marriage though. Marriage came about to join one man one woman together in a religious sence. Most religous people I know dont think same sex marriage is religous. Some one chooseing to be gay you cant control I dont care if its genetic or a disorder its just not natural according to religion(marriage). Why dont they get a power of attorney and get a common law marraige that way they could visit one another in the hosipital, pay alimoney, and all the other things they go with a LEGAL marriage. Just because they can get married doesnt mean more people will respect them.(thats what I think they want) But I could be wrong.

Intelligent design Im not going to get into, that subject is way to emotional for too many people. And another one you will not chage their minds.

Abortion to me doesnt make sence in most cases. There are so many forms of control out there today that unwanted pregnancys should not be a problem. My opinion is this; if a person male or female has a unwanted pregnancy evidently their self control wanst enough, the low cost of birth control was too great, and adoption is too embarassing then they arent responsible enough to be doing the task. There for I say fine get your abortion ONCE, but while the doc is takieing care of that he should take care of tieing the tubes also. Dont give them the chance to kill again. (If its the males choice as well then he too should be fixed). I just dont think it is fair if a person kills a woman and her unborn child in a car wreck he/she is not charged with one count of murder/manslaughter its two counts. If abortion is okay then that doesnt make since.

Fuel is another big issue. there have been rumors for years that big oil companies, auto manufactuers, and maybe some others have bought up the patents to ideas for cars that dont need oil to burn. If this is the case the patents need to be striped and sold to the highest bidder. Buying something and keeping it away from the public when it could change the world for the better needs to by out there and not hidden.

These are some of my toughts on the A FEW issues brought up and my vote goes to the canadiate that comes closest.