Guides Providing Information

[Fly_Guy]

Y'all sound like a bunch of babies (no offense to any babies reading). Bill, anyone who PMs you complaining about what free advice (often worth what you pay for it) a guide posted needs to be deleted from you 'in' box. Don't even bother answering (or copy and paste a prepared answer for such people).

[techo]

Something in the air today? It seems that people are a tad bit grumpy everywhere. Andrew Murray wrote this book called humility....well never mind.

I appreciate the posts and information as I have said before it eliminates water. It saves me fishing time. With that in mind....this spring Babbler told me how well he was doing on rogues and/or stickbaits and I couldn't catch a fish for a week or so. It wasn't that Babbler was lying ( I trust him totally)....I am just a poor stickbait fisherman. I stuck with it and focused on my fishing and had one of the best days of my life on Table Rock using his advice. The point is.....if someone's advice doesn't work for you, look at yourself first to find out what happened.

I hope we don't lose any guides on here. I recommend them on this board and others. The reason I recommend them is their willingness to help us regular stiffs.

I implore that we don't punish or single out guides, but ignore the whiners, who expect something for nothing.

[Bill Babler]

Eric, you know that is not what I meant at all. No one has to whitness you catching fish on a pattern to believe your report. You yourself stated in your post that patterns that are working can rapidly change. That is why we need to keep this as fresh as possible if it is a guide making the post. If a guy is making a full lake report on Friday, and you fished a section Monday, say I was there on Monday, and this was the patten I used.

I am getting negitive feedback from general lake patterns if the guide has not fished them reciently or knows another guide that is currently working the area.

Were not asking for information handed down from Grandfather to Grandson, just let everyone know how we know about this.

Any bass fisherman can sit down and type out a seasonal Table Rock lake report. IF our guides want to do this its great, especially when starting new seasons. They are very helpful and full of general fishing knowledge, that may or may not work, but it is a starting location for folks to use as a reference.

On day to day stuff of weekly reports, we need to know what the guides are doing now, and where they are doing it. NO, NO, NO, we don't need to know you caught them off Windsor bay at 35 feet on a Yamamoto Laminated purple/brown 4 inch cutworm, but we would like to know your lake section, as you know lots of different patterns on this big pond.

From Baxter to Campbell Point, you could write a book on the area and not give away your seceret hiddy hole. We could however help people fish the area in a more efficient manner. Especially if ourselves or one of the other guides has been there in the last couple of days.

And yes, we do need to give credit to some of our conrads if they give us fishing information on lake sections. It not only gives the report creditability, but shows the guides that are posting here, care about honesty. it shows that you know what is happening instead of just what should be happening. It gives you inside current knowledge.

Sometimes its good, sometimes its bad, the forum wants to know. What did we as guides try to do to make it better. How can we help folks reading this that may be having a hard time getting bit. What did we do to get bit. The guides should let people know why they are fishing certain lake sections at certain times of the year.

No one is singled out here, and I am as guilty as anyone. Ozarkanglers is a great medium for advertising our guide business, and totally free if used in a responsible manner, however it is also a responsibility to be as accurate as possible, and if we have not fished an area or know someone who has, that information, is pretty much an untruth, unless prefaced with, "This is what should be going on, on that particular section of lake. I have not fished it, but this is what I would try and this is where I would check."

Let us know where you lanch, and why you lanched there. What are you looking for in that area? We don't need gps coord's. Just why.

I love to read all the reports, especially the non-guides as they are usually spot on and to a tee. We love having all our guides here and certainly don't want to lose a single one. We just need to operate under the same guidelines, and keep this as accurate as possible.

This year to date, I have recieved 6 PM's and 1 phone call fussing about recommended lodging. I have gotten over 20 PM's and at least a half a dozen calls on guide posted fishing reports. They have complained about mine at least a very substantial part of the time. And yes, it has been some of the regulars that always are thanking the guides for the info. along with mostly others. Most of the complaints of course are on not enough info, and us just giving generalities.

Here is the facts, This just needs to run as honestly as possible for the guides. Either you were there or your were not. Either you did it or one of your buddies did it. Either you caught them or you didn't, and if you are recommending lodging you either checked it out or you didn't.

I cannot see in anyway how this should upset anyone that is making a living in the guide business, and it will sure as heck help keep people from fussing at the moderator, when recommendations are not what they expected.

Sincerely Bill

[misterpbody]

Easy there boys!!! I may not post very much, or even bother to log in regularly, but I read the info on this site DAILY. Kinda part of my routine(yeah, yeah, I know, get a life ). I have learned more on this site than all others combined(believe me, I read quite a few), and I am darn thankful for all the reports and other info as well!!!

As soon as I started reading this topic, i saw feathers getting ruffled; all because of some IGNORANT people who have the nerve to complain about FREE fishing reports!!! These people want to catch fish, let them PAY to hire a guide, or tell them to shut the ---- up, read the reports, and LEARN TO FISH!!!

Sorry for the rant, but there's no reason for anybody to be getting bent at anybody else on here, just because of a few(or more) MORONS who think they are so special that they have the right to PM anybody and whine about anything.

By the way, be down soon, but Im not saying just when; last time I did, yall got so much rain it took 6 months to get close to normal!!

[focused fishing]

Y'all sound like a bunch of babies (no offense to any babies reading). Bill, anyone who PMs you complaining about what free advice (often worth what you pay for it) a guide posted needs to be deleted from you 'in' box. Don't even bother answering (or copy and paste a prepared answer for such people).

Speaking as a former baby I'm offended by your comment..........

"A baby is God's opinion that the world should go on. "

-Carl Sandburg

"It is always a silly thing to give advice, but to give good advice is fatal. "

-Oscar Wilde

"Brains, like hearts, go where they are appreciated."

- Robert S. McNamara, former U.S. Secretary of Defense

Anyway......maybe I'm a little edgy.....gave up smokin' a couple of weeks ago...

EP

[CaptainJoe]

Eric,

In response to your quotes, the following link should help us focus and coordinate our efforts.

By the way, congrats on stopping smoking......did it 16 years ago. Every holiday, I light up the stinkiest cigar to remind me not to smoke.

Joe

[Gary Lange]

I just barely understand this thread. I appreciate the fishing reports as they give me a guide or a place to start from. I really think that what should have been posted was something to the effect that the Fishing Reports are free and given by Guides whose business depends on the finding fish. If I was a Guide I think I would take offense to what was said and would most likely not post any more reports. Then again that is just me and my opinion for what it is worth.

I look for these reports on here and take them with grain of salt because conditions change daily and fish follow forage more then we think they do. They may be gone the day you come to fish and you think the report is a lie to through you off. The fish are around somewhere in the area chasing forage.

I do hope that you Eric Prey of Focused Fishing Guide Service continue to post you valuable and thoughtful information but should you decide not to I certainly understand and will accept your choice not to.

[mclothier1]

Something in the air today? It seems that people are a tad bit grumpy everywhere. Andrew Murray wrote this book called humility....well never mind.

Im not grumpy... Im happy because I will be on the Rock (again) in a couple days Wooo Hoooo!!

I implore that we don't punish or single out guides, but ignore the whiners, who expect something for nothing.

Right on Techo, completely agree

Seriously... the first several vacations we took here, we couldnt catch diddly... (except maybe some bluegill) if we did happen to catch anything, we just racked it up to the bass feeling sorry for us. Now after hiring a guide for the last two vacations, COMPLETE turn around! Gee now I can take others out in the boat and we can ALL catch fish! Its amazing!!!

If it wasnt for the reports posted here, or the first hand info from the guide trips, we would still be struggling! It used to be frustrating trying to catch fish on the Rock, now its just plain FUN!!

Bill, feel free to use this...

[focused fishing]

From a recent report:

Kimberling City Area: The deep bite continues to be the most consistent pattern in the mid lake area; drop shot rigs with Chompers plum or brown / purple worms, Robo worms in Aaron’s magic, MMIII and oxblood / red are all working on pea gravel and gravel rock mixed points from 28’ – 40’ deep. Look for fish to be suspended off the bottom early and late and close to the bottom during the heat of the day. Smallmouth and a largemouth can be caught around boat docks through out the mid lake area. Eakins’ jigs and craw combos in PB&J and green pumpkin / green flash have been effective from 15’ – 25’ deep in shady areas of boat docks.

Ya know now that I read this I can see what they're talking about...... not nearly enough information here should of read something like this:

Kimberling City Area: I have been catching fish on the main lake point in front of the Mill Creek Camp ground GPS Coordinates 36 35.712 N 93 26.674 W on July 8th from 6:45 am until 8:22 AM using a drop shot rigged Robo Worm in Aaron's Magic 4" worm, nose hooked with a #2 Gamakatsu finesse hook, utilizing 6 pound Seaguar Invizx line on a 4 power Falcon low rider spinning rod and Shimano 4000 series Stradic reel. The fish are approximately 28' deep holding tight to the bottom near larger rocks and drops that are picked up by my Lowrance x-110c sonar. Early on that particular day the fish were suspending 2.4 feet off of the bottom and my clients David and Rick Anderson, of Omaha, NE were having a hard time detecting the light bite. David, 44, dark hair, brown eyes, approximately 5'10" 210 lbs. is a computer network engineer who is married and has three kids while his brother Rick, 41, dark hair, brown eyes, 6' 195 lbs. is a fire fighter who is unfortunately divorced with two kids, but is dating a nice girl that he hopes will make a wonderful step mother to his kids. Their difficulting in feeling the bite stems from a lack of deep fishing experience as Rick made clear when he stated "The deepest part of our lake is only 24 feet deep". At approximately 8:44 AM we noticed on the Lowrance X-110c that the fish moved closer to the bottom and slightly deeper into approximately 32' of water. After exactly 31 minutes of fishing we had managed to catch and release four fish weighing; 1.9 lbs (non keeper), 2.33 lbs (keeper) 2.43 lbs (keeper) and 3.12 lbs (keeper). At that point I decided to try fishing around some larger boat docks in the area as it seemed Rick and David might enjoy casting more than vertical fishing. We moved into Little Mill Creek and began fishing the larger community docks on the south side approximate GPS coordinates 36 35.684N 93 26.732 W. Utilizing a 5/16 oz. Jewel Bait Company Eakins Jig in Peanut Butter and Jelly (color code 724) with a green pumpkin Jewel Eakins Craw (Color code AC1) we made short casts and under hand pitches with Falcon Low Rider Eakins 5 power rods with Shimano Curado reels spooled with 10 pound Seaguar Invizx line to shady areas near walk ways and floats. From 9:03 AM until 10:32 we caught and release 4 largemouth ranging from .98 lbs to 3.22lbs and three smallmouth ranging from .77 lbs to 2.44lbs.. At 10:45 AM I returned David and Rick to the Dock at Ahoy's in Kimberling City, MO after an enjoyable and productive trip.

See that's much better and has almost all the information needed to find and catch fish........ except the ability to make it happen.

Let the Airing of Greivences begin......

"...happy, happy, joy, joy......."

EP

[techo]

You will probably get quite a few offers for the handsome firefighter.....my sister was wondering about a telephone number.