Lead Ban On All Fishing Tackle

[Stockton Lake Guide Service]

OK, this is it then I'm going back to the Stockton forum where I belong. Before I get told to go there. I saw this and figured this is the answer to the lead ban.

Here is what them scientists are going to try to sell us now...

"Some scientists have speculated that effects of humans - from hunting to climate change - are fueling another great mass extinction. A few go so far as to say we are entering a new geologic epoch, leaving the 10,000-year-old Holocene Epoch behind and entering the Anthropocene Epoch, marked by major changes to global temperatures and ocean chemistry, increased sediment erosion, and changes in biology that range from altered flowering times to shifts in migration patterns of birds and mammals and potential die-offs of tiny organisms that support the entire marine food chain."

OK, I personally believe in God and that he made all of this that we live in and see around us. Some mistakenly believe in a large explosion blew an ape apart and it landed unharmed all over the world and grew up to work for the govt, or something like that. But either way, this proves we can use lead. If I'm right then God has everything under control. If they are right, then when we enter the anthropocene epoch age, then all the lead will melt from the heat (also known as the end of times if you believe in God) You see, if you read the above from these very smart people (sarcasm), then you will see that the shifts from the migration patterns of birds and mammals would lead them away from us dirty filthy humans and thus, they would be far away from our lead litter that we made up.

Either way, problem solved. Ready, aim, cast away!!!

[fishinwrench]

Ok I've googled and am now convinced....Lead=bad / Flouride=good

[Trav]

jeesh!!

[FishinCricket]

OK, this is it then I'm going back to the Stockton forum where I belong. Before I get told to go there. I saw this and figured this is the answer to the lead ban

Some scientists have speculated that effects of humans - from hunting to climate change - are fueling another great mass extinction. A few go so far as to say we are entering a new geologic epoch, leaving the 10,000-year-old Holocene Epoch behind and entering the Anthropocene Epoch, marked by major changes to global temperatures and ocean chemistry, increased sediment erosion, and changes in biology that range from altered flowering times to shifts in migration patterns of birds and mammals and potential die-offs of tiny organisms that support the entire marine food chain.

OK, I personally believe in God and that he made all of this that we live in and see around us. Some mistakenly believe in a large explosion blew an ape apart and it landed unharmed all over the world and grew up to work for the govt, or something like that. But either way, this proves we can use lead. If I'm right then God has everything under control. If they are right, then when we enter the anthropocene epoch age, then all the lead will melt from the heat (also known as the end of times if you believe in God) You see, if you read the above from these very smart people (sarcasm), then you will see that the shifts from the migration patterns of birds and mammals would lead them away from us dirty filthy humans and thus, they would be far away from our lead litter that we made up.

Either way, problem solved. Ready, aim, cast away!!!

I'd bet that your condition makes breathing difficult......

I gotz me an ideer, let's all start using Nickel instead of lead..

Whatta marooooooooon!

[shockley32]

Too Funny! Or is it to funny, or two funny. Can't remember had too much lead for dinner.

Brad

[shockley32]

On a serious note if I can do something to help the environent I'm all for it. Being a responsible outdoorsman is important, however that is my decision. It is my concern for the environment that leads me to pick up trash, fishing line, etc... However being concerned for the environment can be taken to extremes, EX: never going fishing because it hurts their mouths, disrupts their environment and will lead to their demise.

I'm not going to intentionally dump a five gallon bucket of lead into my favorite brushpile or dump my used oil in the lake. Unfortunatley there are a few morons who have no respect for anything and give everybody else a black eye. I have no problem using a lead weight and will do my best to be responsible with it. I just don't want a govt genius to tell me what I can and cannot use when I go fishing or it won't be long and the same genius tells me when I can and cannot go fishing!

Brad

[eric1978]

Well I can't say that I agree with you. I believe that people (at least for the most part) that fish do care about the environment, they just don't believe all the hype about everything is bad. but then you go onto say that someone somewhere would quickly create an alternative metal. Who invented lead?? The answer is God. It's been used for thousands of years for fishing and other things. There is no evidence that lead weights hurt the environment. Neither humans or fish show any ill effect of lead use from fishing so to suggest that people that don't support the ban do not care about the environment is a false statement. The lead problems in fish seem to come from lead runoff from mines and natural causes when areas are high in lead concentratuion, not from me breaking off a 5 lb bass. The lead used in shotgun shells are sometimes eaten by birds and waterfowl and have caused problems, which is why they banned it for waterfowl hunting. I'm not sure what type of metal man is capable of creating without using the substances that are already here on earth, and it seems that Algore has already determined that these are toxic and cause global warming. And there is no evidence what so ever that my lead weight has anything to do with the "birth defects in California." From what I've seen it looks like most of these problems are caused by liberals and smoking to much weed. Our govt already has enough control over us, we need to quit allowing them to control everything about us.

I'm more inclined to listen to scientists than you, since they know what they're talking about and you don't. They seem to think it is harmful to the environment, whether it was "invented" by "God" or not.

http://www.lead.org..../lanv1n2-8.html

Lead shot and lead weight can severely affect individual organisms and threaten ecosys­tems (WHO 1989). After three to ten days of waterfowl ingesting lead shot, the poison will reach the bloodstream and be carried to major organs, like the heart, liver and kidneys. By the 17th to 21st day the bird falls into a coma and dies. Following the ingestion of lead shot, lead toxicosis has been observed in Magpie geese, Black swans, several species of duck (including Black duck and Musk duck) and Hardhead species (OECD 1993).Organic lead is much more readily taken up by birds and fish (WHO 1989). Aquatic organisms take up inorganic lead through a transfer of lead from water and sediments; this is a relatively slow process. Organic lead is rapidly taken up by aquatic organisms from water and sediment. Aquatic animals are affected by lead at water concentrations lower than previously thought safe for wildlife. These concentrations occur often, but the impact of atmospheric lead on specific sites with high aquatic lead levels is not clear (US EPA 1986).

Lead moves into and throughout ecosystems. Atmospheric lead is deposited in vegetation, ground and water surfaces. The chemical and physical properties of lead and the biogeochemical processes within ecosystems will influence the movement of lead through ecosystems. The metal can affect all components of the environment and can move through the ecosystem until it reaches an equilibrium. Lead accumulates in the environment, but in certain chemical environ­ments it will be transformed in such a way as to increase its solubility (e.g., the formations of lead sulfate in soils), its bioavailability or its toxicity. The effects of lead at the ecosystem level are usually seen as a form of stress (US EPA 1986).

In general, there are three known ways in which lead can adversely affect ecosystems. Populations of micro-organisms may be wiped out at soil lead concentrations of 1,000 parts per million (ppm) or more, slowing the rate of decomposition of matter. Populations of plants, micro-organisms and inverte­brates may be affected by lead concentrations of 500 to 1,000 ppm, allowing more lead-tolerant populations of the same or different species to take their place. This will change the type of ecosystem present. At all am­bient atmospheric concentrations of lead, the addition of lead to vegetation and animal surfaces can prevent the normal bio­chemical process that purifies and repurifies the calcium pool in grazing animals and decomposer organisms (UNEP 1991).

In your other post you say that the only reason you use lead is because there is no alternative. When you fish plastics what type of weight do you use?

Tungsten. If you know where I can find some tungsten spinnerbait heads, let me know.

I don't go dumping oil, or trying to pollute the environment, but we need to draw the line somewhere. Since lead has always been here, and we just take it out of the earth and make stuff out of it, then what keeps the birds and fish from still being exposed as the lead runoff enters our lakes and streams, or the birds eat from areas where the lead concentration is high?

In the same breath you say that you don't dump oil (which we take out of the earth and make stuff with it), but lead is okay (because we just take it out of the earth and make stuff with it).

Even the bible speaks about lead in Exodus 15:10 "But you blew with your breath, and the sea covered them. They sank like lead in the mighty waters." But the environmentalist would probably say this was just the first documented case of lead poisoning. It's my guess that they just got a little to much lead paint when they were kids.

The Bible would also have you believe the earth is 6,000 years old. Pretty sure that isn't right. I'd be careful making scientific arguments based on a document that is so thoroughly disproved.

Until there is a cost effective alternative, or until the powers to be outlaw it, I will continue to use lead and do so without any guilty feelings that I am hurting the environment. And at this point in this country, our kids will have a lot more to worry about than cleaning up our lead weights when they get older.

I agree with you...our kids are going to face a lot of problems because of how we currently treat the planet, but that doesn't mean we should just ignore less looming problems...we should address them all and look into fixing them. Look, I don't think lead is a HUGE environmental problem, but the FACTS are that it DOES have a negative impact...that's a FACT. You can't deny fact simply because it isn't convenient for you, even though I know that's a common theme in our culture.

[Wayne SW/MO]

Just a few points.

The ban on lead shot was not due to water pollution, but was because waterfowl ingested the shot.

The heavy metal that shows up in fish and other creatures is mercury, not lead.

A ban will benefit some third world sewer trap while it puts more Americans on the unemployment list.

The biggest environmental hazard from lead is in lead mine tailings, not discarded or lost fishing items.

[Chief Grey Bear]

I have no problem using a lead weight and will do my best to be responsible with it. I just don't want a govt genius to tell me what I can and cannot use when I go fishing or it won't be long and the same genius tells me when I can and cannot go fishing!

Brad

I think for the most part, the majority of us are responsible. As anyone that has fished with me can attest to, if I get hung up, I go swiming. Even if I am fishing with soft plastics. And I have instilled that in my son too. That is just the way I roll.

You may not want some governmnet genius telling you when, where and how you can fish but, I for one am darn glad they do. If they didn't, I seriously doubt we would even be having this converstaion. Check out the Wildlife Code book sometime. They have covered everthing there is to fishing. And those regulations have come from decades of research and continue to be updated as fishing continues to evolve.

[Stockton Lake Guide Service]

Just a few points.

The ban on lead shot was not due to water pollution, but was because waterfowl ingested the shot.

The heavy metal that shows up in fish and other creatures is mercury, not lead.

A ban will benefit some third world sewer trap while it puts more Americans on the unemployment list.

The biggest environmental hazard from lead is in lead mine tailings, not discarded or lost fishing items.

Very well put wayne, I have never heard of anyone that knows what they are talking about blaming lead problems on an 1/8 oz bullet weight.