Get Sued If You Save Your Own Seed !

[3wt]

Oh and most of the stuff in the copy/paste are good reasons to not save seeds from transgenics.

[fishinwrench]

they are combining genes from one organism into another. If you can't patent that, nobody will ever do it

And that would be bad because.......

[3wt]

And that would be bad because.......

Because despite arguments from ignorance, there are positive things we can achieve...like feeding people that are going hungry, decreasing cost, improving output, avoiding crop loss due to drought disease insects etc, decreasing chemical fertilizers and pesticides, did I mention feeding the starving.

Something that hasn't been mentioned is pharmaceuticals. They can be made cheaper, cleaner, and in a more stable supply than other methods.

Not to be overly mellow dramatic, but lives are being saved and changed because of biotechnology. It has almost certainly improved your own in some way. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater here.

Just because you don't get it, and don't trust it doesn't mean it shoudln't be trusted.

See a list of horrible things being done via genetic engineering here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharming_(genetics)

Evil cancer drugs, insulin and vaccines.

[denjac]

Dude, the copy and paste is because I am no expert on the subject and I doupt you are either. Just showing another side of the story . You are spouting propaganda for the altered crops . I am spouting propaganda for the stop of these practices. Monsanto said it best when concerened with the safety of their products. Yes I copied and pasted this quote too :

Monsanto's View On GM Crop Safety

A Monsanto official told the New York Times, October 25, 1998, that the corporation should not have to take responsibility for the safety of its food products. "Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food," said Phil Angell, Monsanto's director of corporate communications. "Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the FDA's job."

[fishinwrench]

Not to be overly mellow dramatic, but lives are being saved and changed because of biotechnology. It has almost certainly improved your own in some way. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater here

So allowing farmers to hold back some of their seed for next years crop would put a sudden halt to biotechnology ? There went the baby right there.

I'm sorry, I'm so blinded by the greed that I can't see any further. I'm sure you are making a valid point but it's wasted on me.

[3wt]

Okay, well I am educated (formally) in molecular biology and genetics and I work in the biological science field. I have real non-propogandized knowledge of this subject..

I don't have a problem with copy/pasting information. Yours was just a poor citation. It's dated and poorly argued, and sourced from people more interested in transendental meditaiton than medicine.

Please don't accuse me of propoganda. There's a difference between propoganda and fact based information.

When I use the term ignorance I don't mean any offense. It's just that arguing from agenda and emotion is different than arguing from information.

I'm not going to defend everything Monsanto does, or absolve them from reasonable and accepted safety testing standards. It's just that it has to make sense, and too much of the anti-GMO stuff is absolute nonsense.

[3wt]

So allowing farmers to hold back some of their seed for next years crop would put a sudden halt to biotechnology ? There went the baby right there.

I'm sorry, I'm so blinded by the greed that I can't see any further. I'm sure you are making a valid point but it's wasted on me.

They're not a charity dude. How many products/services do you give away for free? It's business. You don't have to like it, but it's no conspiracy that they're looking ot make money.

And seed saving is effectively a thing of the past for farmers (not for gardeners.) Hybrids and clones are the trend. You can't save those seeds. This is propoganda. The problem is not even a new issue.

[denjac]

Well I guess I am outgunned and ignorant. I will try to avoid all geneticly altered food sources. Common sense for me says to stay away from foods that have viruses and pesticides cloned into them. To each his own.

[3wt]

Well I guess I am outgunned and ignorant. I will try to avoid all geneticly altered food sources. Common sense for me says to stay away from foods that have viruses and pesticides cloned into them. To each his own.

I'm really not trying to be a jerk. But your statement further shows that you really don't know what you're arguing. The viruses are used at the cellular level to infect dna into corn cells that then are grown to produce seed that produce plants. The viruses are not swimming all around the plant or it's kernels in the field. And they aren't viruses that infect people, just plants.

And the pesticide that bt products have is considered to be one of the safest out there. It's what organic growers use so I guess you can't eat that stuff either.

My point is that you can call it common sense, but it's nonsense. People at one point would have said that common sense says not to bring a deadly energy into your house that could kill you. But then we wouldn't have electricity.