Justin Spencer Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 Ness, your way makes way too much sense and is way too easy, and is what I would recommend as well, but that's not what gets us to a 4 page discussion. By the way, how do you guys get a quote up with the persons name/date? I'm too stupid to figure that out. "The problem with a politician’s quote on Facebook is you don’t know whether or not they really said it." –Abraham Lincoln Tales of an Ozark Campground Proprietor Dead Drift Fly Shop
FishinCricket Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 This is what im curious about... If say Cheif were to pursue this and it did go to trial with Elder v Delcour appearing at least to be the case law. A judge im guessing would need to abide by that ruling. If that was to be the finding of the court then he and or for that matter anyone could take that ruling and show it to the LEO's if they get called to this area and specifically persons area and show it to any LEO that came to talke with them. Leo could then tell the Property owner of the ruling and after being advised if the property owner did it again could he not be arrested for harassment? Just curious as it seems as those this property owner appears on face value to be a potential threat to people on the creek. I have concerns that if this and other stories get out then those who have a CCP might look at this person as a threat to life and use deadly force if they encounter the person. The DA's wording tend to lead me to believe they know this person to be a threat. Just seems there is alot more ot this story then what we know. The rest of this story is in a thread from last year, somewhere around here.. Also a video, maybe still posted on YouTube.. cricket.c21.com
FishinCricket Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 Ness, your way makes way too much sense and is way too easy, and is what I would recommend as well, but that's not what gets us to a 4 page discussion. By the way, how do you guys get a quote up with the persons name/date? I'm too stupid to figure that out. Click "Quote" on the bottom left corner like you used to and it puts the quote in the reply box at the bottom of the page. cricket.c21.com
ness Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 Ness, your way makes way too much sense and is way too easy, and is what I would recommend as well, but that's not what gets us to a 4 page discussion. Like my daughter said, 'Dad, you're just too practical!' I got a pretty good chuckle out of that, and am happy to report that she did too after thinking about it for a second. John
Justin Spencer Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 Click "Quote" on the bottom left corner like you used to and it puts the quote in the reply box at the bottom of the page. Thank you, it's at the bottom right corner to me though! That was a little to obvious for me to figure out, if it was a copperhead it would have bit me! "The problem with a politician’s quote on Facebook is you don’t know whether or not they really said it." –Abraham Lincoln Tales of an Ozark Campground Proprietor Dead Drift Fly Shop
ness Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 I'd add one more thing... The most practical thing to do here, and the one that will most likely fix this issue, is to get in front of law enforcement and discuss this thing. The sheriff was open to listening to Chief before and I'd bet he would be again. All you lawyer-wannabes could help Chief build a presentation to give to them. Make sure it's educational, professional, factually correct and not a bunch of hyperbole or name-calling. Just spell out things so they know how it's supposed to work and encourage them to educate the guys on the street. Maybe even make them up a cheat sheet. If you're lucky, they'll agree to go to Prater and discuss it with him. If not, they'll be a little smarter and have their little cheat sheet next time they have to go out there. And with modern photocopier and fax technology, the work could be sent to other law endforcement people as well. I'd chip in on a project like that. I would be MSA and other groups would too. Great point ness, as always. I can see a nice packet of info, with all the pertinent information just ready to hand out to local officials whenever one of these things comes up. It'd be a great topic to discuss at organizations concerned with this stuff too, and they're always looking for someone to come talk at their meetings. John
drew03cmc Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 Isn't the only information necessary the court documents from EvD, the streams in the float book and the list of MDC accesses on said streams? I think that should all become very easy to come by. Andy
Gavin Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 Now that I think about it...Who's to blame the lawyer for wanting to get paid up front? Thats how criminal defence lawyers insure that they get paid. Heck, I ask for a retainer up front whenever I do litigation support. And I'd bet that amount is negotiable... Also, what section of Shoal creek...I have one of the old Oz Hawksley float books from 1976 and Shoal Creek is in there...Seems like it would be easy to document a long history of public recreational use.
drew03cmc Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 Gavin, the section of Shoal Creek in question is definitely floatable. It is below Lime Kiln, and if I am not mistaken, below Tipton Ford. There is a commercial livery on the river just above Tipton Ford, Undercliff Campground and Resort. Their floaters have been harassed by Prater as well, so they would likely be fine with any contact regarding this situation as well. Andy
ness Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 Now that I think about it...Who's to blame the lawyer for wanting to get paid up front? I think ness mentioned that on about page 2. John
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