What Fish Would You Like To Se Stocked And Where.

[Feathers and Fins]

In Arkansa every November within 2 days of stocking Bows in Lake Catherine below Carpenter dam It seems as though every Strier and walleye show up in the first mile below the dam. I don't know about 80 lb stripers but while I was living there a over 50lb striper and a 16 plus lb walleye were were caught by guys throwing crankbaits for Largemouth Bass and I never had a problem catching a limit of rainbows there and I thought it was the best Largemouth Lake even better than Degray or Ouachita.

LOL, You dont need to preach to this choir boy about how good the fishing can be and the size of fish where trout are stocked and large predators live. I grew up with it. Im just saying the BASS guys would scream bloody murder and the trout guys would scream they are destroying the fishery. You cannot get anglers to ever see the benifits of a multy-species fishery beyound their own wants.

Funy how I grew up listneing to it and then when guys started catching double digit bass and monster stripers they started to understand how valuable it was yet still complained about it.

[exiledguide]

LOL, You dont need to preach to this choir boy about how good the fishing can be and the size of fish where trout are stocked and large predators live. I grew up with it. Im just saying the BASS guys would scream bloody murder and the trout guys would scream they are destroying the fishery. You cannot get anglers to ever see the benifits of a multy-species fishery beyound their own wants.

Funy how I grew up listneing to it and then when guys started catching double digit bass and monster stripers they started to understand how valuable it was yet still complained about it.

True story we had an Organization againts stripers speak at our anglers club at Hot Springs Village because stripers were destroying the largemouth fishing in Ouchita either by eating all the largemouth or eating all the baitfish and they were the reason that Lake Ouchita was not a world class largemouth lake. i wonder what happened to those guys. Can you imagine when even a 10 lb striper would grab a streamer on Taneycomo?

[Feathers and Fins]

Yup I can imagine it. Landed several on streamers this year and they were more in the high teen's. Duckys dang FOF flies are awesome for doing just that. Oh and thsoe Bass guys probably got shut down by the mountain of research showing how wrong they were. I dont know how Taneys Gizzard shad population is but I can say one thing. The trout guys whould be correct if they said the stripers were eating the trout Ive seen them do it! I opened up a 30lb striper out of Lake Silverwood back in the 80's with 4 trout in it "FRESH" and it still ate my 16'' trout swim bait. Ive watched stripers line up at the stocking location when Cal DGF stocked just waiting for the tasty free meal. DFG never did get the hint you stock every tuesday afternoon and they would learn this wierd pattern. Only took the bass and striper guys about 3 stocking to figure out the pattern though lol.

[sitting fishing]

If they could be grown and survive this far south Northern Pike would be my choice they don't grow as big as Muskie but they do get big and are maybe the dumbest fish I have ever fished for. Think about it people up north have been catching these fish forever on a red and white or yellow five of diamonds Daredevil Soon or a Suick jerkbait or a big Mepps spinner and right after ice out you can sight fish in shallow water and have a chance of catching a 20#+ fish.

We do have steelhead in Missouri, they are just called Rainbow trout here since they never make it to sea. Same species...

hybrids everywhere

[Wayne SW/MO]

We do have steelhead in Missouri, they are just called Rainbow trout here since they never make it to sea. Same species...

Not quite. There are many areas where both bows and steelhead exist and they are not the same fish. There are a few biologist who believe they are Atalantic Salmon that were cut off and evolved into a similar but different creature.

F & F how do tou propose that salmonoids survive are summers if they were in the lakes?

[Tim Smith]

But if peacock bass could only survive in Missouri, I might change my tune a bit.

You seem to be dead on with your conservation positions, all, but that peacock bass comment is pretty disappointing, Al. Large engulfing predators tend to have big impacts on native fauna.

It's bad enough Peakcock bass are in Florida and people trying to stuff them into Belize...where hopefully the groundwater-fed rivers will make it too cold for them to do well.

What fish would I like to see stocked? Ideally, none. The best fisheries run without stocking, although I realize it's probably not possible to do this in most cases that is the best economic and ecological ideal. If you want to catch lake trout, go north where they're native.

[Feathers and Fins]

Wayne the same way the they do in Cali. The lakes are deep enough and cold enough to support them just as they do stripers. I posted a thread on going after trout in TR later this summer because I know there are trout in the lake.

Perris ,Skinner and Diamond Valley in SoCal all support summer holdover and are much smaller than any of our lakes, heck you can fit most of the SoCal lakes in any of ours and still have room left over. But they are deep enough to maintain the cold water and Disolved O2 needed.

Stripers prefer water temp between 55 and 68

Trout preffer water between 55 and 60

So there isnt much differance in preffered water temps. I have found those temps in Beaver and TR even in last summers scorcher. I have no doubt they would survive well and promote a very healthy trophy fishery. I say trophy because it will increase striper size and only the largest of trout will survive against them giving us trout in the lakes that would be from 6pnds and better.

[ozark trout fisher]

What do you think they would bring?

Nothing really. As I said I'm not pushing for any new non-natives, but selfishly I would have fun with cutthroat trout in some of our trout streams...I'm certainly not saying it's a good idea or that the MDC should actually do that.

If they want to stock trout in some of the big lakes fine, but don't waste taxpayer money on that. I'd have no interest...For me trout fishing is about beautiful, secluded streams and moving water.

[Wayne SW/MO]

So there isnt much differance in preffered water temps. I have found those temps in Beaver and TR even in last summers scorcher.

But was there oxygen there. I think that would be a problem. The water coming out of TR is certainly cold enough, but they have to supplement the oxygen.

In order to justify the cost of introducing non-native species I would think ther would have to be some financial reward or a benefit to native species. I suspect that if you broaden the range of some species, musky's for instance, you would just take away from what is already available. I question whether Missouri is reaping any real benefit from the expense of supplementing walleye in BS.

[Wayne SW/MO]

Nothing really. As I said I'm not pushing for any new non-natives, but selfishly I would have fun catching cutthroats in some of our trout streams...I'm certainly not saying it's a good idea or that the MDC should actually do that.

The reason I asked was that I've caught them in streams that have both and the tended to sttle into slower areas and weren't the fighters that the bows were IMO. The Lahontan's that grow big in lakes are a different animal of course, but Taneycomo would probably be the only place for them. I'm not sure though that they don't need alkaline water, at least that seems to be where they are out west.