Thanks Obamacare!

[jdmidwest]

Obamacare is a tax installed by the Congress and the President Of The United States upon the people of the USA.

Quote the Supreme Court Decision that upheld this crazy decision.

"In a 5-4 decision the Supreme Court upheld the joint venture of the President and Congress to force every American, regardless of ability or desire, to purchase a qualifying health care insurance plan by 2014 or face a tax penalty for failure to comply.

Today’s ruling demonstrates a bizarre interpretation of the Constitution wherein the majority of the justices held that while the Constitution does not grant Congress the power to compel the purchase of a commodity, it does have the power to tax anyone who doesn’t make such a purchase.

Chief Justice Roberts, writing for the Court, held while the “individual mandate is not a valid exercise of Congress’s power under the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause,” it is valid as an exercise of the taxing power granted the federal government by the Constitution. "

It is a tax. It does not improve or change the healthcare system to improve it. It will not stop those that maintain financial irresponsibility. It will in the end result in the Federal Government being in charge of your healthcare decisions.

I like this little refund business. Funny how it corresponds in timing to a few months before election. Seems like buying some votes to me. Our current political system is corrupt, and we are only helping to keep it that way!

[gotmuddy]

Someone else in this thread said they have no insurance by choice. So if you become catastrophically ill, have an accident, etc. what happens? Who pays your bill?

that is me. Right now I am gambling(for lack of a better word) that I won't have a horrific accident. The costs outweigh the benefits. If I get sick/hurt my wife will pay my bills and I will sell all my toys. I would not and do not expect/hope the government to do pay.

[rfd515]

that is me. Right now I am gambling(for lack of a better word) that I won't have a horrific accident. The costs outweigh the benefits. If I get sick/hurt my wife will pay my bills and I will sell all my toys. I would not and do not expect/hope the government to do pay.

People say insurance is too expensive, so they don't get it, they 'gamble', they get sick or something happens to them, the bill is too high for them to pay so they don't, and insurance costs go up.

Force everyone to pay into a federal healthcare system, get for-profits out of the equation and force non-payers into it, then watch the costs plummet. This thing is not rocket-surgery.

Sure Obamacare isn't anywhere near perfect, but no big legislation is. In my opinion it's at least a stumble in the right direction. Republicans are screwing themselves on this whole deal and even David Frum is intelligent enough to recognize that.

[Jack Jones]

Some confusion back there in the threads. I never mentioned hearsay. Somewhere along the way folks got confused between my post and the responses to it, LOL.

When all is said and done, I tend to agree with Chief and Zander. I'll leave it at that.

[Wayne SW/MO]

Chief seem to want to imply that that my having conversations with Canadians here was hearsay, but your conversations in Canada with Canadians weren't, or something to that effect?

I don't think anyone thought your experience was hearsay, but apparently mine was.

And I am not sure what the badge of honor is in having "more" cancer cases is. I don't know of anyone that doesn't have close accounts of it. Does it make one an expert of something??

That wasn't the point at all, I was just pointing out that my knowledge of cancer wasn't hearsay either, or putting it another way unverified.

You put the word hearsay in the debate. Apparently I'm lying short of producing verification?

[gotmuddy]

People say insurance is too expensive, so they don't get it, they 'gamble', they get sick or something happens to them, the bill is too high for them to pay so they don't, and insurance costs go up.

Force everyone to pay into a federal healthcare system, get for-profits out of the equation and force non-payers into it, then watch the costs plummet. This thing is not rocket-surgery.

Sure Obamacare isn't anywhere near perfect, but no big legislation is. In my opinion it's at least a stumble in the right direction. Republicans are screwing themselves on this whole deal and even David Frum is intelligent enough to recognize that.

Hospitals will let you make payments(they actually are forced to) so your first argument is moot.

The big evil "for-profits" people PROVE that they can do a job far better than the government. Need I point out that UPS is a highly profitable company while the postal service sinks further into the red? How about Social Security?

Idle curiosity here, but who will pay for the non payers who cannot afford health insurance(the whole reason for the bill)?

[Feathers and Fins]

that is me. Right now I am gambling(for lack of a better word) that I won't have a horrific accident. The costs outweigh the benefits. If I get sick/hurt my wife will pay my bills and I will sell all my toys. I would not and do not expect/hope the government to do pay.

Muddy, My heart attack 7 weeks ago is well over 100,000.00 right now and I will be on meds and seeing docs the rest of my life. Could you afford to pay for that out of pocket or the continued care for life?

[Chief Grey Bear]

Chief seem to want to imply that that my having conversations with Canadians here was hearsay, but your conversations in Canada with Canadians weren't, or something to that effect?

I don't think anyone thought your experience was hearsay, but apparently mine was.

That wasn't the point at all, I was just pointing out that my knowledge of cancer wasn't hearsay either, or putting it another way unverified.

You put the word hearsay in the debate. Apparently I'm lying short of producing verification?

As I have stated in previous posts, you are the one that dismissed Jack's experience but, in the same post your two friends seem to speak for all Canadiens. Just didn't know why his info was trumped. Because two Americans don't like football it makes it a worthless sport??

Nobody said the cancer was hearsay. Not sure where you pulled that one from. But I have a good guess.

[Chief Grey Bear]

In a perfect world nationalized healthcare would be perfect. However we do not live in a perfect world. We live in a world where some people want to steal from everyone else.

When I say steal, I mean people who live on welfare, and generally abuse our system. So many people who CAN work refuse to do so because the government will take care of them.

What about those that hide their money in overseas accounts to avoid paying taxes?

[rfd515]

Hospitals will let you make payments(they actually are forced to) so your first argument is moot.

Not when your bill is multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars and you have an average salary.

Look at the kid who got shot in the Aurora shooting and doesn't have insurance. He's racked up supposedly 1M in medical costs since being admitted. What is he going to do? Pay $200 a month for the next 400 years?