The Use Of The Word "fisherman" Is Now Deemed To Be Sexist

[Feathers and Fins]

Fixing the problems with this country is not that hard to do at all. Problem is those in charge do not want to fix them as it is not in their interest and that is the truth. Dem, Rep or Ind it is not in their best interest. How do you solve it is simple though.

1. Impose term limits of no more that 2 terms for all politicians ( this also means they are given no pension no life time medical none of the current perks they are there to serve us and it should be voluntary, granted they need pay for it but when they are out that is it )

2. Balanced Budget law that has automatic penalties for not having one

A. immediate suspension of pay to all politicians that will not be reimbursed

B. all non-essential personal laid off until one is in place

C. all spending for all programs suspended.

( Basically it shuts down all spending until a budget is in place)

3. Abolish the IRS and install in its place a flat tax on all goods and services minus groceries ( it doesn't matter what product or service you are using it all has the same amount taxed off it )

4. Cease all foreign aid to any country that does not have A DEMOCRATICALLY elected government and NO aid to any nation that is known to have/ support or aid Terrorist activities.

6. Abolish Obamacare

7. Create a constitutional amendment that no law effecting the entire populous cannot be passed without an vote by the populous.

8. Place sever restrictions on government aid / entitlements first off anyone who is not ( medically of mentally disabled ) will only be allowed to be on said program for a term not more than 1 year. And to be on the aid they must be Drug Screened at random, they must show proof they are searching for employment and after employment the aid will be cut. The only way to maintain aid after employment is to be continuing education and aid will only last no more than 4 years or for the time period they are in school.

There are a few more ideas but doing those things will stop a lot of the Bull. But like I said not in the politicians interest.

[Al Agnew]

Fixing the problems with this country is not that hard to do at all. Problem is those in charge do not want to fix them as it is not in their interest and that is the truth. Dem, Rep or Ind it is not in their best interest. How do you solve it is simple though.

1. Impose term limits of no more that 2 terms for all politicians ( this also means they are given no pension no life time medical none of the current perks they are there to serve us and it should be voluntary, granted they need pay for it but when they are out that is it )

2. Balanced Budget law that has automatic penalties for not having one

A. immediate suspension of pay to all politicians that will not be reimbursed

B. all non-essential personal laid off until one is in place

C. all spending for all programs suspended.

( Basically it shuts down all spending until a budget is in place)

3. Abolish the IRS and install in its place a flat tax on all goods and services minus groceries ( it doesn't matter what product or service you are using it all has the same amount taxed off it )

4. Cease all foreign aid to any country that does not have A DEMOCRATICALLY elected government and NO aid to any nation that is known to have/ support or aid Terrorist activities.

6. Abolish Obamacare

7. Create a constitutional amendment that no law effecting the entire populous cannot be passed without an vote by the populous.

8. Place sever restrictions on government aid / entitlements first off anyone who is not ( medically of mentally disabled ) will only be allowed to be on said program for a term not more than 1 year. And to be on the aid they must be Drug Screened at random, they must show proof they are searching for employment and after employment the aid will be cut. The only way to maintain aid after employment is to be continuing education and aid will only last no more than 4 years or for the time period they are in school.

There are a few more ideas but doing those things will stop a lot of the Bull. But like I said not in the politicians interest.

Okay, let me give you the "thoughtful" objections to what you're proposing....

1. I agree, but understand that you'll be losing good people as well as bad people.

2. Here's the thing...the country is not a household. It can be like a business in one way, and that is that sometimes you have to invest in order to prosper. For companies, this means borrowing money to buy raw materials or upgrade infrastructure, in order to produce more goods more efficiently and thus make more profit to pay off the debt with a lot left over. For government, it means continuing to spend money on infrastructure and services in order to make the country run more efficiently, and by the way stimulate the economy. "Stimulus" is a dirty word these days in some quarters, but understand this; a LOT of the U.S. economy is tied up in government spending, from military to agriculture to parks and recreation. Cutting the spending to the bone when the country is in recession and not enough is coming in is pretty much guaranteed to deepen the recession as government workers and workers in industries with government contracts get laid off and go into an already depressed job market. Maybe, eventually, all that money that is supposedly staying in the private sector will result in more jobs and more money spent and more taxes raised, but in truth we've seen quite a few cuts in government spending in some areas and more money staying in the private sector as it is, and what's happened is the stock market has responded very positively because companies are making more profit, but the companies aren't hiring more people and expanding because the market isn't there...they're making more profit because they are making employees do more, and keeping whatever extra money they're getting in reduced taxes and lower interest rates.

A. Hey, I'm all for suspending politicians' pay if they don't perform, but in the whole scheme of things there are plenty of politicians who are getting more money under the table than they are making in pay.

B. See above. Lay off workers and it has a ripple effect through the whole economy.

C. See above again. Lots and lots of lay-offs in industries with government contracts.

3. I'm for that. But the counterargument is that it would mean that the well-off pay less proportionally and the less well-off pay more. I don't like the class warfare aspect of that, but in reality, while the "rich" are theoretically paying a greater percentage of their INCOME, if you look at the total net worth of everybody in each income tax bracket and compare that to the total taxes paid by everybody in that same bracket, the percentages are about right. Of course, it's not a "net worth" tax, it's an income tax.

4. I agree here, too, but understand that foreign aid is a drop in the bucket of total federal spending. Cutting every bit of it out will not do much of anything to balance the budget.

5. Well, you skipped this one!

6. Okay...no doubt that it's far from optimum and we still don't know how bad or good it will end up being. But abolishing it doesn't solve the health care problems. What are you gonna do instead?

7. I like that idea, too. But it'll sure run the cost of elections up. And you'd have to have an ironclad exceptions rule to take care of things that can't wait for the next election.

8. I agree. But, be prepared for unforeseen consequences. The major one would be that crime shoots through the roof as all those people who are cut off welfare suddenly realize they have zero job skills and no legal way of getting food, shelter, goodies (and drugs).

[Feathers and Fins]

And to my astute Painting Senator from Missouri.

1. Loosing people is always a fact of elections but with term limits it guarantees new blood at regular intervals.

2. Flat tax would generate taxes from all citizens regardless of age or citizenship status ( little 5 year old Tommy buys a pack of gum he Pays a tax! Juan from Mexico buys a Rake he pays tax! Julie from the burbs buys some shiney new shoes she pays tax! ) Everyone pays and they are the judge of how much they pay buy their spending habits.

Now the Government would have to have a FISCAL cut off for the Budget based off tax revenue so Say January first is the cut off then they must know how much in taxes was collected from the previous year and then be given to ( Just for spite April15th ) to have the new approved budget or all sanctions kick in for not having one.

As to other moneys for parks and forrest roads etc. That's part of the budget but require a Daily or Annually fee for the use of them. National Wildlife refuges in some cases already do that but the exception is if you have a Federal Duck Stamp then you get in without a daily fee. I suggest Programs like that for all federal land. Roads are easy as well in a simple percentage tax on gas. There are many ways the government can be ran like a business. Any Surplus should be placed in an account requiring congressional approval to be used. This could be used for FEMA or to Cover other needed projects. This section also coves #3 see how I did that lol

5... Lack of the coffee when posting sorry Senator you want to buy me a cup and we can sit down on a stream and discuss the politics of not having coffee on the country lol.

6. It cant be implemented as is already so get rid of it start over with a law people can read. Maximum of 20 pages.

7. would not run up the cost. all it does is force the issue to be placed on a balloted for the vote. If proponents or opposition wants to run commercials its there money but the Law is voted on.

8. I didn't have skills when I started working but have worked my way up from chief weed puller ditch digger to COO. It isn't easy but if you have the will the way will come. 1 year to get a job at McDonalds or other remedial job isn't asking much and with continuing education benefits continue till 4 years and 4 years is a Masters and that should be wourth a lot more than McD.

[Quillback]

We're not "cutting" federal spending, federal spending is projected to grow by $200 billion dollars from 2013 to 2014. Economic activity is not being slowed by "cutting" as it is not happening. Our debt is a big problem and is continuing to grow, continued overspending will only exacerbate this problem. Seeing government spending as a solution to our economic issues is what has landed us in the state we are currently in.

This from the CBO:

"Such high and rising debt later in the coming decade would have serious negative consequences: When interest rates return to higher (more typical) levels, federal spending on interest payments would increase substantially. Moreover, because federal borrowing reduces national saving, over time the capital stock would be smaller and total wages would be lower than they would be if the debt was reduced. In addition, lawmakers would have less flexibility than they would have if debt levels were lower to use tax and spending policy to respond to unexpected challenges. Finally, a large debt increases the risk of a fiscal crisis, during which investors would lose so much confidence in the government’s ability to manage its budget that the government would be unable to borrow at affordable rates."

Continued over spending by the federal government is digging the hole deeper, it is not helping our economy in the short term or the long term.

It's ironic that proponents of big government and continued spending (and borrowing) are creating the conditions that in the future will lead to reduced government and less spending on social programs.

[Chief Grey Bear]

We already have a flat tax on goods and services. We all pay the same rate. I fail to see how that would help. Right?????

Now a flat tax on income is a different story.

[Feathers and Fins]

Chief it would be a Federal Tax on them to replace the IRS Income tax. Say current tax is 9.25% the Federal would be allowed to tax up to 10%.

Do some research on just what Americans spend on Dietary stuff and then Sporting goods and Then clothing. A 10% tax on all those ( everyone pays ) would quickly wipe out the debt. I laughed when I first heard it but after looking over some of those things we spend on it isn't hard to see a flat tax is a true viable solution coupled with a balanced budget law with real penalties for not having one.

[Chief Grey Bear]

I am not sure I like that idea. Would make goods taxed at 15% to 20% depending on the local sales tax rates in your area. And who, collectivly makes more purchaces? Us little guys. We are already paying the debt. Not sure we need to pay for more of it.<br /><br />I do like alot of the other ones though.

[jpb2187]

I am not sure I like that idea. Would make goods taxed at 15% to 20% depending on the local sales tax rates in your area. And who, collectivly makes more purchaces? Us little guys. We are already paying the debt. Not sure we need to pay for more of it.<br /><br />I do like alot of the other ones though.

"Us little guys" c'mon, are you saying the guys driving the beemers and walking around in Italian suits and their trophy wives in Mercede's SUVs who make the mall a second home are spending less on clothing and food and other items than yourself. . The things these people buy cost more money and therefore generate more revenue.

I guess you could make and argument for culmlative purchases of an ecomnomic subsegment, but I still have a hard time believing these people are outspent.

[Chief Grey Bear]

jpb2187, on 10 Jul 2013 - 17:37, said:

"Us little guys" c'mon, are you saying the guys driving the beemers and walking around in Italian suits and their trophy wives in Mercede's SUVs who make the mall a second home are spending less on clothing and food and other items than yourself. . The things these people buy cost more money and therefore generate more revenue.

I guess you could make and argument for culmlative purchases of an ecomnomic subsegment, but I still have a hard time believing these people are outspent.

I dunno, you may be surprised.

[Feathers and Fins]

Brit think about it this way. It would force people to live in a budget and be thoughtful of their spending. Why buy Levi when Wrangler work. It could and possibly would force prices to come down on many items as people would be more frugal with their money. Instead of being forced to give up your money from payroll ( and use all the deductions in the world to not have to pay ) Now everyone pays there is no exceptions or deductions except on groceries. Its really the only tax that is fair and equal to everyone as it is applied blindly to everyone who buys anything.