$60 Trillion Trouble

[Wayne SW/MO]

I have to agree with Jeb, it's not whether or not the globe is warming, we all know it is and should have expected it. There are ways to help the transition and maybe prolong some of it, but they aren't politically profitable. To say any party or politician is going to actually do anything about it is insane.

Tim how much of that was fueled by bug killed timber left standing because some environmentalist demanded it? How much man power was diverted to save homes built in the forest, but where the owner wouldn't clear a fire break before a fire?

[knuck]

I had a 3 paragraph post written and just deleted it, why waste time. How can anyone really argue whether it is completely naturally occuring or manmade? It's pretty darn hard to argue though, that humans have no effect on the planet overall, take a look at any night time satellite photo and look at those lights. Dead lakes in the north east due to acid rain(coal fired power plants) gulf of where ever dead zones around the planet due to fertilizer and pollution runoff, pcb's in the Hudson, freshwater deltas & marshes around the world becoming brackish due to low river flows because of damming, how long a list do people want. We don't have any affect on the planet? Oh sorry we were talking about weather.

You know what really sucks, we make these monstrous messes and have absolutely no way of fixing them in most cases.

Saw a story last week the CIA is "requesting" funding, permission whatever to study the possibility of altering weather for economic benefits. Look up the US Air Forces definition of research uses for HAARP(yep, I did it, I am now officially and forever going to be labeled a conspiracy theory believer) its all for communication advancement, my butt.

As a famous author once wrote"its all just mental masturbation"

None of it really matters because those idiots over in China will probably blow a big butt hole in the atmosphere soon enough and we'll all be roasted like T-day turkeys.

Steve in STL

[Wayne SW/MO]

Good points Steve. There is no mention of things that we can't fix, if it's obvious you can't fix it, you can't be paid for trying, not that DC wouldn't try. Pavement and roofs create tremendous amounts of heat, trees that could absorb CO2 are long gone, third world countries are choked in pollution providing cheaper goods. The bottom line is there are very few politicians of any persuasion, here or abroad, that cares enough to turn down a nickle.

[knuck]

Its just discouraging to me, that with all of the enviromental messes we have created for ourselves we still are reactive rather than proactive. Even if we don't know for sure the cause, natural or manmade why would'nt we error on the safe side. I'm afraid its because the genie is out of the bottle and its called population growth. We hear daily about the growing middle classes across the globe, great for humanity short term maybe but long term its a problem as we all vie for the same raw materials. The more we consume the more we destroy the planet collecting the materials to provide our comfy lives.

I realize thats a pretty lousy outlook but I have kids that might have kids. As lousy caretakers of the planet(the only home we have) I fear we are going to leave them with problems that can never be fixed, no matter how much money we throw at it.

On another tangent when God shows up and wants to know what we did to his garden we are really going to be in trouble.

Steve in STL

[Justin Spencer]

Once we are done killing ourselves off the earth can get back to healing herself. I can't see any way possible with this being a global problem that all nations can come together to fix the problems until it is too late (which is already may be). I think it will be a slow death, but it is obvious we are already sick and while I normally can see both sides of any issue, this is one problem that I 100% believe without a doubt is being exacerbated by human actions, denial is a dangerous thing.

[Mitch f]

Once we are done killing ourselves off the earth can get back to healing herself

No offense, but I don't like this mentality...., sure we were put on this earth to be good keepers and failed the mission. But are not people more important than the earth?

[knuck]

No offense, but I don't like this mentality...., sure we were put on this earth to be good keepers and failed the mission. But are not people more important than the earth?

But without earth there are no people!

[Mitch f]

Read his post Knuck, I know how the stories going to end

[Justin Spencer]

No offense, but I don't like this mentality...., sure we were put on this earth to be good keepers and failed the mission. But are not people more important than the earth?

No offense taken, and I think we are just part of the ecosystem for good or bad, many things have gone extinct over the years.

[Mitch f]

No offense taken, and I think we are just part of the ecosystem for good or bad, many things have gone extinct over the years.

No doubt, thanks for understanding. I think you could read between the lines where I'm coming from.