1969Larson Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 By the way, have you read the United States Constitution? I have a copy in my hand. It is not a big document. The copy I have is 68 pages including the Articles of Confederation, Declaration of Independence, and all amendments. Very easy reading too. Before you can present you opinion on things our Senate has done, you should be required to read this. (Article 2 on the Legislative Branch is just a couple of pages.) Nothing wrong with wanting or supporting socialism or single-payer healthcare. As mentioned, there are countries that operate that way. Maybe you could look into them. But before you pack up and move there, you might want to ask how many medicines they have developed, or what medical technology has started there. I'll bet you it all came from the US of A. Also ask how often families bribe doctors for good care. Go to a hospital and ask how many patients would like to come to the US for their care.
mixermarkb Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 This is not checks and balances. THIS is legislative extortion on a scale unprecedented in American history, made possible by gerrymandering districts and creating a small group of house members who do not have to listen to anyone outside of their party, because they will only ever lose a primary, not a general election. Therefore, they are free to act like spoiled toddlers who won't share their ball with the other kids on the playground. The law passed. It's been signed and tried. In our system, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, you WIN ELECTIONS AND REPEAL IT!! You do NOT refuse to work on other laws (like a continuing resolution to fund the government) until the law you don't like is delayed, defunded, or whatever! It is an abuse of our system that needs to end, not constitutional checks and balances.
SmallyWally Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 Wow....... Kindness is the language the blind can see and the deaf can hear.-- Mark Twain
Feathers and Fins Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 Larson I can tell you I have read it many times and in fact had to be able to recite the Bill of rights in front of class. This is the most prime example of the houses power of the purse and of checks and balances. I do not care what political party you are from or what political party in DC is doing what this is exactly how the founders set-up this country at its primal level. Do we need a healthcare? Certainly, but not this way not under government control. This could have been done by mandating to private insurance they cannot disqualify anyone. This could have been done by the government regulating cost of service ( already applicable laws for gouging in effect ) it would be simple and could have been affordable. The only other thing they would have needed to do was create a law allowing for cross state shopping for insurance this would lower cost as competition always does. So two new laws and enforcement of current gouging laws and we would have had a system that did not break the bank. But add in politicians of all shapes and colors and you cannot ever get simple straight forward laws to help the people. You want a real good one read this the National Park Service informed charter boat captains in Florida https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beaver-Lake-Arkansas-Fishing-Report/745541178798856
Wayne SW/MO Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 The statement that the ACA is "The Law" doesn't carry a lot of weight in light of the exemptions and delays that the president has invoked. Mixermarkb, while big business was getting a bye, you weren't considered worthy and it was the Republicans that took exception to that I would like to hear what you cost do regarding insurance in the near future also. It sounds like Democratic party supporter, NPR, isn't reporting well if you aren't concerned. Sooner or later a majority of representatives in the legislatures have to take a stand. When you're borrowing money to pay interest something in the accounting is wrong. If are kids and grandkids are to have enough money to meet their government needs in the future, we have to bite the bullet and get this under control. It simply takes some adults who will put aside their self interests and party interest to get it done, but it will have to be done in a bipartisan meeting. Right now the Democrats are resisting a start, and not even getting to the point of rejection by one side or the other. The federal government is the same middleman we all would like to minimize wherever possible! Today's release is tomorrows gift to another fisherman.
1969Larson Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 This is not checks and balances. THIS is legislative extortion on a scale unprecedented in American history, made possible by gerrymandering districts and creating a small group of house members who do not have to listen to anyone outside of their party, because they will only ever lose a primary, not a general election. Therefore, they are free to act like spoiled toddlers who won't share their ball with the other kids on the playground. The law passed. It's been signed and tried. In our system, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, you WIN ELECTIONS AND REPEAL IT!! You do NOT refuse to work on other laws (like a continuing resolution to fund the government) until the law you don't like is delayed, defunded, or whatever! It is an abuse of our system that needs to end, not constitutional checks and balances. Wrong. The powers of each branch of the Legislature are explicitly stated in The Constitution. If you don't think that the House withholding funding is part of the system of checks and balances, why do you think our founding fathers set it up exactly this way? To jog your memory, do you recall what effectively... Ended the Vietnam War? Ended the Conflict in Lebanon? Established a national drinking age of 21? That's right.. withholding funding (ended military funding for South Vietnam, limits on military funding, and a withholding of state highway funds). So don't tell me that this isn't checks and balances. The Constitution is an easy read. I highly recommend it.
mixermarkb Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 I've read it. Withholding funding in certain areas is TOTALLY different than refusing to keep the lights turned on for everything! I'm sorry if you guys fail to see the damage this is doing to the form of government called representative democracy. This is a crisis on a level that we haven't seen since the Civil War, and it saddens me greatly.
Feathers and Fins Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 Ok you had no idea what was in the Bill except for what you heard. So making assumptions based on no knowledge is exactly what the democrats who you tout did in passing the law. Pelosi herself said "we have to pass the bill to find out what is in the bill" that's a factual statement. That is in no way a represented form of government that is not even government or should not be. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beaver-Lake-Arkansas-Fishing-Report/745541178798856
ScottK Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 Well, at least there are SOME important issues being discussed: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/05/obama-open-to-name-change-for-washington-redskins/?intcmp=latestnews Gotta love the priorities.
mixermarkb Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 Fins- The arrogance you have, to tell me that I'm making assumptions on no knowledge, because I disagree with you, is astounding. How many hours do you watch Fox News, or listen to talk radio in a day? Propaganda is far from restricted to the left. Enjoy your feelings of superiority, as the greatest way of government this planet has ever known crumbles around you.
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