Wolf(Ves?) In Wayne County, Mo

[jdmidwest]

MDC must have brought in some of both with the elk, cougars and wolves. Just stands to reason from a management standpoint, they have to have a big predator to weed out the sick and old in the herd. The poor little coyote is not big enough to get the job done. And the Rocky Mountain Elk guys probably demanded it as a package deal.

[countryred]

A neighbor of our property in Shannon county claims he saw a wolf last year. He has seen many coyotes and knew it wasn't a coyote. A few weeks later someone hit one with a car on Hwy 60. Rural legend? I don't know. But thousands upon thousands of wooded acres near there could harbor anything. Personally, if I saw a wolf ,the only way I would shoot it is with a camera. However..if it showed no fear of man and showed an interest in me..we would have to a "discussion".

As far as cougars go, I do have a little story. A local farmer had a cow get attacked and a calf killed. The authorities came out and said the cow cut its face on a fence and the calf died of natural causes and was fed upon by coyotes. One of the calf's legs were found 20' up in a tree. The perpetrator showed back up again for the scraps and justice was served.

[Big Brown Trout]

MDC has several bobcat herders on staff, you probably got caught in the middle of a drive.

I doubt it, we were alone in the woods.......if you know what I mean.....

[living_waters]

In october of 2000 Me and a buddy were bow hunting an area on the current river on the shannon carter county line. My buddy was on a ridge on the opisite side of the river then I was. I was high in a tree in the flood area of the river below him. He radioed me and said there was a dog running a couple does with fawns across the river towards me. In just a few I seen a doe and two fawns making their way quite fast through the thick tangle below me. Right behind them came the dog and first I thought it was a coyote but as he got closer I could see he was much larger and his coat was different. I drew on him and as he stopped directly under my stand I seen something that made me let off. It had a tracking collar on it. i radioed him back and said Im almost possitive that was a wolf he radioed back that he didnt want to sayinything but it came under him and that is exactly what he thought.

I think I posted picture of some tracks on a a gravel bar of the NFOW last year that belonged to a long legged Molted gray dog.

The wolf and mountain loin issue will increase as time goes on, it will follow the path of the bears and hogs we have localy did.

[bigjigjim]

I have felt for many years that MDC has had an active "conspiracy" surrounding the population of wolves and big cats in the state. Starting back in 2003 my old man was living in Beaufort Mo on some land that was tucked back in a holler. He swore till his death bed that he had 5-8 wolves that passed through his land on a near daily basis for about five months a year. He attempted to inform MDC, they blew him off. He took molds of multiple sets of tracks on the same path to the local conservation office, they insinuated it was a hoaks. He passed away as a result of lifestyle choices in 2006 and shortly after his passing I read an article of a pack passing through Franklin County from the northern Rocky Mtns. While handling his estate I met several locals who confirmed his stories and said that for years a group of wolves would seem to settle in the area for several of the colder months but no sign of them come the warmer season. The one man claimed as many as 10+ some years. Another old timer spoke of shooting one that was running the area with a group of 6 or 7 in the late 80's. He said he notified the game warden who claimed it to be a freakishly large yote but oddly insisted on taking possession of the carcass immediately and would not allow him to take the hide from his harvest. After hearing it from multiple people I felt bad for always passing Pops off as a "Squatch Hunter". I shared this info with family members out of semo who also claimed periods of time over the years when much larger and darker than usual "Yotes" were around. I believe that there is a migratory population existent in the back woods, more so than eager youth passing through as MDC claims.

I also have seen first hand trail cam pics back in 2003_4ish of 3 Lion cubs and a large female in Crawford County. (around the same time frame that Bourbon PD Treed that bear and shot it out of the tree along side Hwy 44) The camera had pics of this cat family on it every couple days for about 5 months. It was really cool to watch them grow. It would take photos of the cubs playing and wrestling in front of the feeder while mom was typically not top far away. The deer population around this particular area seemed to be real skittish and seldom frequented the feeders put out in front of the cam. We experienced found several deer carcasses that year that had been mutilated and disassembled. MDC was notified and presented with the pictures. One of the neighbors about a half mile down the road operated a hatchery and kept finding large cat tracks along his pond banks. He also notified MDC and was told that he was mistaken even tho he offered multiple eye witness accounts. MDC swore he was full of bs until he contacted them to come fish the body of a mature male Lion out of his hatchery pond. They threatened charges but stood down upon threat from his legal Council. We never seen sign of the cats again after that and it had been speculated that MDC captured and removed the the cubs and female for relocation to a more suitable territory.

Never found documentation on the Crawford County incident, however I did see the trail cam pics and dead male myself. I spent some time searching this evening for the article on the Beaufort claims but had no success while operating on my phone. I feel that there are consistent migratory populations to say the least. If not a small breeding population of both. I am not typically a conspiracy theorist but in my experience I think MDC feels that it is not a threat currently and that acknowledging the re population of these predators through the media would cause much more panic from the general than is warranted, therefor they down play the reality for the sake of conservation? IDK? Just a conspiracy theory?

As far as the man who "mistakenly" harvested one, I feel he may be a comparable character to the South Park hunting brothers. "It's coming right at us!" Is not justifiable means for poaching. Especially something that naturally making a comeback... ide almost rather read of an Elk mistaken for a mulie during primitive arms week!

[bigjigjim]

I have felt for many years that MDC has had an active "conspiracy" surrounding the population of wolves and big cats in the state. Starting back in 2003 my old man was living in Beaufort Mo on some land that was tucked back in a holler. He swore till his death bed that he had 5-8 wolves that passed through his land on a near daily basis for about five months a year. He attempted to inform MDC, they blew him off. He took molds of multiple sets of tracks on the same path to the local conservation office, they insinuated it was a hoaks. He passed away as a result of lifestyle choices in 2006 and shortly after his passing I read an article of a pack passing through Franklin County from the northern Rocky Mtns. While handling his estate I met several locals who confirmed his stories and said that for years a group of wolves would seem to settle in the area for several of the colder months but no sign of them come the warmer season. The one man claimed as many as 10+ some years. Another old timer spoke of shooting one that was running the area with a group of 6 or 7 in the late 80's. He said he notified the game warden who claimed it to be a freakishly large yote but oddly insisted on taking possession of the carcass immediately and would not allow him to take the hide from his harvest. After hearing it from multiple people I felt bad for always passing Pops off as a "Squatch Hunter". I shared this info with family members out of semo who also claimed periods of time over the years when much larger and darker than usual "Yotes" were around. I believe that there is a migratory population existent in the back woods, more so than eager youth passing through as MDC claims.

I also have seen first hand trail cam pics back in 2003_4ish of 3 Lion cubs and a large female in Crawford County. (around the same time frame that Bourbon PD Treed that bear and shot it out of the tree along side Hwy 44) The camera had pics of this cat family on it every couple days for about 5 months. It was really cool to watch them grow. It would take photos of the cubs playing and wrestling in front of the feeder while mom was typically not top far away. The deer population around this particular area seemed to be real skittish and seldom frequented the feeders put out in front of the cam. We experienced found several deer carcasses that year that had been mutilated and disassembled. MDC was notified and presented with the pictures. One of the neighbors about a half mile down the road operated a hatchery and kept finding large cat tracks along his pond banks. He also notified MDC and was told that he was mistaken even tho he offered multiple eye witness accounts. MDC swore he was full of bs until he contacted them to come fish the body of a mature male Lion out of his hatchery pond. They threatened charges but stood down upon threat from his legal Council. We never seen sign of the cats again after that and it had been speculated that MDC captured and removed the the cubs and female for relocation to a more suitable territory.

Never found documentation on the Crawford County incident, however I did see the trail cam pics and dead male myself. I spent some time searching this evening for the article on the Beaufort claims but had no success while operating on my phone. I feel that there are consistent migratory populations to say the least. If not a small breeding population of both. I am not typically a conspiracy theorist but in my experience I think MDC feels that it is not a threat currently and that acknowledging the re population of these predators through the media would cause much more panic from the general than is warranted, therefor they down play the reality for the sake of conservation? IDK? Just a conspiracy theory?

As far as the man who "mistakenly" harvested one, I feel he may be a comparable character to the South Park hunting brothers. "It's coming right at us!" Is not justifiable means for poaching. Especially something that naturally making a comeback... ide almost rather read of an Elk mistaken for a mulie during primitive arms week!

[bigjigjim]

I have felt for many years that MDC has had an active "conspiracy" surrounding the population of wolves and big cats in the state. Starting back in 2003 my old man was living in Beaufort Mo on some land that was tucked back in a holler. He swore till his death bed that he had 5-8 wolves that passed through his land on a near daily basis for about five months a year. He attempted to inform MDC, they blew him off. He took molds of multiple sets of tracks on the same path to the local conservation office, they insinuated it was a hoaks. He passed away as a result of lifestyle choices in 2006 and shortly after his passing I read an article of a pack passing through Franklin County from the northern Rocky Mtns. While handling his estate I met several locals who confirmed his stories and said that for years a group of wolves would seem to settle in the area for several of the colder months but no sign of them come the warmer season. The one man claimed as many as 10+ some years. Another old timer spoke of shooting one that was running the area with a group of 6 or 7 in the late 80's. He said he notified the game warden who claimed it to be a freakishly large yote but oddly insisted on taking possession of the carcass immediately and would not allow him to take the hide from his harvest. After hearing it from multiple people I felt bad for always passing Pops off as a "Squatch Hunter". I shared this info with family members out of semo who also claimed periods of time over the years when much larger and darker than usual "Yotes" were around. I believe that there is a migratory population existent in the back woods, more so than eager youth passing through as MDC claims.

I also have seen first hand trail cam pics back in 2003_4ish of 3 Lion cubs and a large female in Crawford County. (around the same time frame that Bourbon PD Treed that bear and shot it out of the tree along side Hwy 44) The camera had pics of this cat family on it every couple days for about 5 months. It was really cool to watch them grow. It would take photos of the cubs playing and wrestling in front of the feeder while mom was typically not top far away. The deer population around this particular area seemed to be real skittish and seldom frequented the feeders put out in front of the cam. We experienced found several deer carcasses that year that had been mutilated and disassembled. MDC was notified and presented with the pictures. One of the neighbors about a half mile down the road operated a hatchery and kept finding large cat tracks along his pond banks. He also notified MDC and was told that he was mistaken even tho he offered multiple eye witness accounts. MDC swore he was full of bs until he contacted them to come fish the body of a mature male Lion out of his hatchery pond. They threatened charges but stood down upon threat from his legal Council. We never seen sign of the cats again after that and it had been speculated that MDC captured and removed the the cubs and female for relocation to a more suitable territory.

Never found documentation on the Crawford County incident, however I did see the trail cam pics and dead male myself. I spent some time searching this evening for the article on the Beaufort claims but had no success while operating on my phone. I feel that there are consistent migratory populations to say the least. If not a small breeding population of both. I am not typically a conspiracy theorist but in my experience I think MDC feels that it is not a threat currently and that acknowledging the re population of these predators through the media would cause much more panic from the general than is warranted, therefor they down play the reality for the sake of conservation? IDK? Just a conspiracy theory?

As far as the man who "mistakenly" harvested one, I feel he may be a comparable character to the South Park hunting brothers. "It's coming right at us!" Is not justifiable means for poaching. Especially something that naturally making a comeback... ide almost rather read of an Elk mistaken for a mulie during primitive arms week!

[rfd515]

I'll never understand the fear people have with rising numbers of predator populations.

If you're that worried about dying in some horrific accident, maybe you should probably stop taking the freeway to work every morning.

[skeeter]

around the same time frame that Bourbon PD Treed that bear and shot it out of the tree along side Hwy 44)

Don't know about the rest of this Gent's post but when I read THIS part above I just started thinking " hmmmm....the Bourbon, MO so-called "PD" shot a treed bear....sounds about normal" !

[bigjigjim]

First of all I want to apologize for the multiple posing last night. I'm not to found of Tapatalk in the short time I've used it.

Like I said before, I am not a conspiracy theorist. I don't believe in Sasquatch, Chupacabra The Grass Man, or that aliens visited ancient civilizations. But I have been blessed with thousands of hours of recreation in this state... Not to say that I don't still have a lot to learn and experience, my ears are still wet as far as I'm concerned. But over the years I've spent alot of time listening to old timers and sitting around a fire with some true "frontiersman". Pair that with my own experiences and research and it is hard not come to this conclusion. The wolves have been plentiful in Missouri for a long time, long before my time... I searched one archive and this is what I found in Less than 2 minutes. A significant amount of archives exist to support my thoughts. Find an archive anywhere in the state and you will come up with consistent claims dating back before the turn of last century until present.