Families With Children Stay Away

[Greasy B]

At 350 cfs that is 2618 gallons per second of water, so a days worth of urine equals less than one second of water flow, doubt it has much impact.

If a truck pulled up to the river and dumped 2600 gallons of urine in the river do you think the story would make the local paper?

[Corky 69]

If they run out of river space, I have some large Lagoons they could rent, lagoons only "No other Commendations Available" .

[ozark trout fisher]

I just reread this thread and just really have to sit here and ask this question?

This is a State Park do you get that? A place that is suppose to be safe and friendly for everyone, Yet they KNOW that activities about to happen will offend people enough they posted the sign. YOU WOULD NEVER see this at a public park, or downtown event as the police would be hauling them off to jail wholesale fashion.

So why should a state park one who's very mission statement talks about law enforcement?

I say line up the cruisers and start loading the backs up with anyone breaking the law, if the activity wouldn't be allowed anyplace else it shouldn't be here. There is no condoning the activity or the actions of the state park. Put a cop at the entry and let them know there will be ZERO tolerance and arrest will be made.

Yeah, I pretty much agree with this approach. There is probably no legal basis for stopping the event but you can certainly make a bucketload off fines/tickets and at least make folks have a second thought before throwing their beer can on the gravel bar (or doing something a lot worse.)

As to the comment by someone else that "anyone could have fun in that environment" (or something along those lines).....no, just no.

[Feathers and Fins]

OTF I don't get offended easily but I take high offense to a State Park condoning this and that is what they are doing. I get the Elk I don't have to like it but I get it... But this is a State Park that is suppose to be free of activities exactly like this.

I sure couldn't have fun in that kind of environment even in my youth there was lines not to be crossed and keep in mind I pretty much grew up on Hollywoods Sunset strip. There are things human eyes should never have to see because there is no burning it from your memory.

[tanvat]

River use is gonna get more intense every year that goes by for the simple reason that there are more and more people every year. Given that reality, at some point, our last best places will require additional regulations if they are to retain any semblance of what they are now and what they could become. For instance, the South Fork of the Snake in Idaho has designated overnight campsites. On the Green and Colorado Rivers in Utah, a float through Canyonlands NP requires one to pack out their you know what; think "poop tubes." These are, obviously different environments that require different approaches, but the point is that our unique Ozark streams are not going to remain nice in perpetuity if people are not more responsible or made to be more responsible via regulation. There is no more "socialism" in requiring people to exercise some restraint on say, the ONSR or 11 PT., than there is in requring drivers' licenses or imposing speed limits. Additional regulation is not eliminating all floating or camping, etc. - that's a non-responsive strawman argument that, unfortunately, seems to be the most common response. So much could be done - and I'm thinking specifically of the ONSR - by simply limiting motorized use. That does not limit access for anyone, it simply means one has to either paddle or walk (god forbid!) or drive down to one of the originally planned access points. I think, over time, people would find that the river experience would be vastly improved and, hopefully, people's perception of the rivers would include a bit more respect. There is no doubt that the more motors, gadgets, etc. that are used when outdoors divorces us from the place; the genuine outdoor experience is diluted and respect for the surroundings is diminished - the result is that people treat the river and its surroundings worse every year. Walk around the riverbanks on the upper Current above Welch for a couple of hours and you'll see it in spades.

ps. Justin, the "pimp" thing was tongue in cheek and not directed at you and other good outfitters - it was a reference to Ozark Outdoors and their promotion of the huge float. My wife and I rented from you years ago when - I think - you guys had just taken over Sunburst. You guys shuttled us up to Topaz (just great if there is enough water) for a two night trip that is one of our favorite all time Ozark river trips.

[Justin Spencer]

If a truck pulled up to the river and dumped 2600 gallons of urine in the river do you think the story would make the local paper?

Are you seriously making a urine argument, that people peeing in the river are damaging the environment?

[Justin Spencer]

ps. Justin, the "pimp" thing was tongue in cheek and not directed at you and other good outfitters - it was a reference to Ozark Outdoors and their promotion of the huge float. My wife and I rented from you years ago when - I think - you guys had just taken over Sunburst. You guys shuttled us up to Topaz (just great if there is enough water) for a two night trip that is one of our favorite all time Ozark river trips.

I embrace the pimp label, I do take offense as rivers being labeled ho's however.

[Boobie]

Justin, are you a stream team member?

[Justin Spencer]

Justin, are you a stream team member?

Not just a member, we have our own team.

[Greasy B]

Are you seriously making a urine argument, that people peeing in the river are damaging the environment?

Not at all, I agree that no real harm will be done. I’m just trying to point out how certain things offend our sensibilities.