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On 11/8/2017 at 6:56 AM, johnm said:

I have drop shotted them shallower than 30 ft using live bait and they don't seem to mind as much. (winter) But I agree with u Bo they don't want the  boat over their head, and u can tell once they swim away on your graph that they did not want to eat your bait 

Yep, a little while back I caught a bunch of Ky and SM in 12 fow vertical fishing with nightcrawlers but the plastics would not work.  I have had trouble catching with the plastics as deep as 25-30 fow  so I switch to the live bait if I had it and then it works.

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