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Dang Gavin that is a pile o ribs, I can almost smell them.

Wish I had some right now to open my sinuses.

I made an evening trip down the hill on Christmas eve. No expectation to see anything. A doe and 2.little ones cam out and nibbled on my winter wheat patch, about 60 yards away from my wife's stand. Wasn't feeling it at all, finally resorted o wolf howls played on my phone to get them to leave. Even then they were not really spooked. Haven't been back, am busy trying beat whatever sort of sinus cold is currently trying to kill me.

Nice one. Where you hunting that you can still shoot with modern centerfire. AR, or OK?

Johnsfolly, I so want to see a pic and recipe for that sticky toffee pudding.

Excellent sir.

What "releases" I know of had nothing o do with hog farmers, at least not real hog farmers. They are already out there, I don't have a problem with fines for someone releasing hogs, however it is near impossible to catch them.

Finished product, just slightly over done, but since 2 of the 4 at the table don't like rare I guess it was about perfect. I do miss my wife's grandma's dressing but man o man was the roast delicious. I also learned 2 things, rib roast is pretty dang easy to fix, and if you start drinking 50/50 coke/crown with a splash of lime juice in an attempt to finish of a bottle of crown to make room for the new Christmas ine, things get "confusing" by lunch.

The standing rib roast is in the oven becoming lunch, hopefully done in time. The pork loins are waiing to go in the smoker to become supper at friends house. And the picture of my grandson is just because he is so darn cute. Lunch will be accompanied by pan seared Brussel sprouts with some balsamic and maybe a few dried cranberries, and a corn pudding thing my wife put in the crockpot before she left for church. I had to stay behind to make lunch, my son will be here in a cuple hours, and daughter and her family later. Folks having your family around is the best present I could get. God best all of you and MERRY CHRISTMAS.

What and how did you stuff it. I have a big ole loin in the fridge awaiting it's final disposition.

I am putting together my new electric smoker, and contemplating putting a pork loin in it tomorrow. Might have a pic of that? I haven't made any fish tacos for a while, I like them in summer along with a tadziki type sauce, and some little green sprigs of stuff. Last batch of whites and hybrids I caught I sent them home with my fishing buddies.

I take hybrid fillets, and paint them with melted butter, season them well with whatever cajun type season I have around. Slap yo Mama has a nice kick to it. Then they go onto the grill, I put foil in a metal pan and single layer the fillets, cook till they flake apart. After done yiu can certainly eat them immediately or let them cool a bit and break up to make fish tacos, flour tortilla, Pico or salsa, guacamole, etc.

Jig and a crankbait. But I will admit that to me, neds, grubs etc. are simply jigs rigged differently or fished differently.

Found em. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154912958332962&id=5883397961&refid=52

Whatever it takes to stay warm.

FW, just for fun what are the other things that are more important to all of us here that are being shorted. If possible add how research into CWD is shorting them.

Jerry, sorry if you thought I was attempting to validate anyone's numbers. I merely posted some information about economic impacts of hunting and assumed you could digest it for what it contained.

http://huntingworksformo.com/economic-data/ HUNTING IS PART OF MISSOURI’S CULTURE 576,000 people hunt in Missouri each year. 10 million days are spent hunting in Missouri. HUNTING SUPPORTS MISSOURI’S ECONOMY Hunters support over 18,000 jobs in Missouri. Hunting generates $541 million in salaries and wages. Yearly spending by hunters in Missouri is $985 million. Missouri hunters spend an estimated $1,600 per year on trip- related expenses and gear. HUNTING IS A KEY SOURCE OF TAX REVENUE Hunters annually generate $108 million in taxes for the state of Missouri. Hunters generate $126 million in federal taxes annually. MISSOURI HUNTING: THE BOTTOM LINE The total ripple effect from hunting in Missouri is $1.6 BILLION.

BOOM! And now FW you have become a biologist! Looking for answers is exactly what the biologists, collges, researchers etc. Are doing too. Sort of like someone telling you that there motor isn't running right, you can't diagnose it until you know a little about it, what is the motor, what is it doing wrong, you have to do a little research to figure it out. Unfortunately with live critters and microscopic particles as the problem it isn't possible to simply look into them, or disassemble them, and fix he bad parts. The answers you are looking for are not there yet, it takes years of research sometimes before any sort of answer can be formed, it is even possible that the answers we all want may never be known in our lifetime. But time, research etc. can change many things, diseases that used to be fatal or at least very debilitating, can now be vaccinated against or in some cases cured. Others are still not curable or preventable.

Then I don't know what else to tell you. If possible loss of a major percentage of the white tail deer herd and UNKNOWN effect on humans and or domestic livestock don't mean anything to you I am at a loss.

Jerry, from what I read CWD was first identified in Colorado in 1967, I do not know for sure when it was discovered in MO. The first I remember hearing of it here was maybe 10 years ago at most, in a captive white tail in Macon MO or some where near there. As of now it has never been identified in any animals other than members of th deer family, which includes deer, elk moose etc. I see no reason to be concerned about eating venison at all. I certainly haven't stopped or even slowed down in my consumption of it. I am a little more careful in handling deer carcasses, but realistically there is not much direct danger, but I try not to use a saw much, I separate/remove legs at the joints, and debone the meat. I suspect you would have much better odds of getting E. coli from improperly handled neat, including beef and pork than any health concerns from CWD, at this time however. That is why the importance of studying CWD, to know if there are risks we don't realize etc.

Jerry, it is very unlikely that it will affect you personally, especially if you don't eat or hunt deer. However it could very well do what some diseases do, go along killing a small percentage of the deer population and then in the space of a year or two turn into a raging epidemic and cause the death of say 75 to 80 percent of the deer population statewide, and since diseases don't recognize any borders move into Iowa, illinois, kansas, Arkansas etc. There is a huge economic boost to the state simply from deer hunting, from bullets to motels. Since part of MDCs job is to manage for healthy wildlife populations it would be a pretty major failure on their part to simply ignore it and not study the disease, and attempt to limit the damage and spread until more is known. It may well be that you still say, well I don't deer hunt so while that would be a bummer for some, why should I care. Things like viruses (and prions are even smaller and less understood), have a tendency to change, adapt, and affect oher things. Perhaps the prions go through a sort of mutation and decide they have a preference for beef, or even largemouth bass. Since there is no known way to vaccinate or treat for their "infection", it could result in a devastating assault on the beef industry, or something that could make LMB virus look like a walk in the park. The short version is that what could happen is unknown, and scientists, biologists and others and working to understand, the what and how of it. Personally being a biologist at heart I am 110% in favor of the study and understanding of prions and CWD, I have never claimed to be unbiased. And it's not just the MDC studying CWD, many states, universities, and govt funded labs are doing the same thing.

Spoondog I like the fishing line analagy. If I put more than a sentence or two it is cut/paste.

The base cause is exposure to infected tissue, primarily brain or spinal cord tissue. However since the prions that are the infective agent last for many years and the body/carcass of an infected deer breaks down the prions are released into the environment and survive extremely well. Unlikely that CWD has "been around forever" in the form we know it.

http://www.swl.usace.army.mil/Missions/Recreation/Lakes/Table-Rock-Lake/Dam-and-Lake-Information/ I think this link will get you to a place where you can click on pool history it will give you the yearly minimum and maximum levels.