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So far I've been surprised that I've been able to wade all the way from a little below suicide hill to dry fork. There's some tricky (deep or too fast) spots where I had to pick my path wisely, but experiences so far this year, lead me to think it might be worth it. I tried it once last winter and it was too deep, but maybe this year it's shallow enough to wade for a good bit further upstream. And I wouldn't really care too much if I wasn't catching many trout. As long as there's good frequency of hookups, with some bigger fish thrown in the mix it would be good enough.
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Yeah, Cardiac and Suicide were hard for me to find and both are a bit rough to get to. But yeah I wondered about the exact location of those places, and finally found out how to get there from reading the missouri trout hunter webpages. http://www.missouritrouthunter.com/MeramecRiver.htm Next time I want to see if I can wade either right below meramec springs, or up from scott's ford.
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It's way late, but I actually wound up trying the inflatable handy rack thing, and it has worked pretty good so far. Granted its definitely vulnerable to someone puncturing it with a knife, but thankfully each time that I left it on the car, no one messed with it. Once I got some extra straps and tied it down a bit more, I even took it as far as Mark Twain Lake. I have to say I'm very glad I got it, cause a real roof rack would've been too expensive for the age of my car I think.
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No information to add, just that I want to fish it sometime this year too.
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I went again on Monday, this time trying out Cardiac Access and wound up going a little downstream of it up to where I stopped at upstream of suicide hill last time, and then went upstream up to the confluence with dry fork. Had plenty of action fishing with the same things as last time (mainly white roostertail). Ended up with the same amount of fish too, but the species distribution was much smaller. This time it was mainly brown trout with a couple rainbows mixing in towards the end. Most of them were around typical stocker size, but there was one 15" Rainbow that gave me a hell of a fight on the light action, and another maybe 13-14" Brown that did as well, but it didn't go on drag peeling runs like the bigger Rainbow, mainly just did the headshakes and bent the rod, but still fun. The big Rainbow though was definitely a great finish to an awesome day in general. Maybe next time I'll get some even bigger. Next time maybe I'll try out the section from meramec springs down to dry fork, or scott's ford on upstream some.
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The few times I've been there, I liked the fact that there isn't a lot of lights at night right on the lake there, and that lodging is relatively cheap and you don't have to book weeks in advance to get it. As to the fishing, first time was kind of crappy, but last time I fished there things were starting to improve. So I'm not sold yet that it's poor fishing there.
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New regs on Spotted bass for Truman Lake
Haris122 replied to MOPanfisher's topic in General Angling Discussion
Not well versed in spotted bass and definitely know very little of Truman Lake, but why would a fish that can get bigger than 15", not be attaining that cutoff size in good numbers, even if only slowly, for harvest in a lake that large? Aren't they supposed to get at least a few inches bigger than that for their maximum size? Especially when they're not even being harvested at the rate others are? -
Personally I'd like Mark Twain to continue to not to have much development on it.
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Well, my thinking was that a fish that spends close to the same amount of energy in what it perceives as a potential life and death struggle, in the winter, when it's harder for it to regain said energy, is probably more likely to die from being caught repeatedly during that time, especially if smaller. As it turns out that may not be the case, but it's a worthwhile question to ask if they do actually pack up and head to warmer water such as springs, if close nearby, as has been discussed in some prior topics. I know for someone like you (i.e. all knowing), such a question may seem stupid, but it won't stop me asking it if I'm curious about it. If that upsets you, then tough dung, don't answer.
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Size wise and shape wise those definitely fit the bill closely. I'm not sure the striping was really evident on this specimen as on yours. But it must be something close enough to one of those two, if not exactly that. Either way, it's a new species, woohoo. I'm off to a good start for the year, diversity wise. 8 species so far. Including several catches of ones I rarely catch more than a few times a year.
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I'm still going to go sometime this winter. I just have to find a good day that's kayak friendly.
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Spincasters and Drag
Haris122 replied to Haris122's topic in Tips & Tricks, Boat Help and Product Review
Well, I have several different varieties in my quest for the perfect one (Zebco 33 Platinum, Abumatic 276i, Pflueger President, Zebco 733, Zebco Micro 33 and Micro 33 Gold ), but in the most recent case I had this problem I was using a zebco 33 micro, while trout fishing on a light action rod. -
Spincasters and Drag
Haris122 replied to Haris122's topic in Tips & Tricks, Boat Help and Product Review
Thanks Al. Lately I've been trying to get them to fight against the rod specifically, more, but especially once they get closer, I get in the habit of reeling while loosening the drag, because I get paranoid about them pulling the hook. Then once I loosen the drag I feel like I better keep reeling so they don't get too much slack line to do something with. I hope I figure out the right balance with the drag to where I'm actually making progress bringing the smaller fish in quick, but at the same time to where the drag smoothly engages for when the really strong fish fight, so I don't worry about the rod tip giving too much resistance and causing pulled hooks. Not to mention I imagine what I'm doing doesn't help the life of the reel especially. -
Now that you guys mention it, I helped last spring a day with some pallid sturgeon survey, and I wondered how many of the fish in the nets at the bottom end up dying from taking a while untangling them out of the nets while out of the water, since I thought it was taking me a long time to get most of them out, and the people researching said its not much of a problem because it's winter and their metabolism is much slower, so they don't seem to lose many of them. Mitch, I figured the water might still be colder than what they're used to most of the year. Maybe that's not the case, but I expected them mainly to be from further downstream what with the mention of the springs being used as wintering spots by some of those fish.
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Was wondering is the drag on spincasters supposed to behave exactly the same as on regular spinning reels? I ask because normally with spinning reels I feel like I'm either reeling in line or the drag is working and stripping line, rarely much of a combination of the two. But in most cases with my spincasters, even after I set the drag to what feels like a stern enough level, it feels like I'm reeling relatively often not gaining much because the drag or the pull from the fish is just counterbalancing the reeling on the "reelhead" section, but also not getting much of a pronounced drag peel or run. Basically I'm constantly reeling to maintain a tight line it feels like, and then kind of guiding the fish more towards me than outright pulling it in ,letting it run, pulling it in etc. Am I doing something wrong with the drag on spincasters, cause it feels like if I were to tighten the drag much more, it would be at the point that the line either breaks or gets abraded from the reel contact points to the level of breaking while reeling the fish in.
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Creek chub, cool. Had not caught one of those before. I thought size wise it seemed about right, but then color pattern wise and picture wise from the pdf "intro to missouri fishes", it didn't seem quite like it.
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I didn't really think of looking at it that way. For some reason even with them being cold blooded I still pictured them as loosing energy, especially after a hookup and the fight, since they just spent even more energy and yet likely don't get much opportunity to eat much to make up for the energy expenditure to begin with. If that's more likely the case, that would be pretty nice. So in your experience Al do you think fish loose any weight over the winter then?
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So I decided to try my hand at Suicide Hill/Cardiac Access section of the Red Ribbon trout area on Friday. Since there was a car already at Cardiac Access, I decided to at least check out what the big deal of Suicide Hill is. I got there and thought, where do you even descend down. Well after a little further investigating I found a good spot to descend. Anyways, I started fishing at 12:30 and got my first fish within 15 minutes. My biggest fish, a 12" Largemouth. I fished further near that area and the action kept coming. Mainly smaller and smaller fish though. Several Largemouth, and then a fish I haven't identified yet. Eventually I started moving around so I wouldn't stress the fish at any one small spot too much. I caught another couple Largemouth and a sunfish before getting in some brown trout. I have to say either those are some strong fish being in the rivers, or they know how to use the current to their advantage, or both but bottom line, I caught 2 of them, each time thinking I had a bigger fish on than what turned out to be maybe 11-12" ones. I was just fishing roostertails, mainly a white 1/24th one with gold blade and a rainbow trout colored 1/16th one. For the trout I kept throwing it in the deep water and reeling back, getting bites from time to time. Anyways, as it was getting close to dark I went back near where I started off and then got even a nice 11" Crappie (I think White Crappie), a small crappie after that, and an 11" Smallmouth but my phone had died by then. All together wound up with 13 fish in 4-5 hours. Biggest were the first Largemouth, and maybe the 11" Crappie. The Trout and Smallmouth were probably a little smaller weight wise, but actually I think they fought a little harder. Anyways it was a fun trip. If anyone knows what fish that is that isn't one of the common ones can you let me know? -
I looked over the "Introduction to Missouri Fishes" pdf and color wise the closest I found was that of a male Red Shiner in breeding color. However size wize those are supposed to only get to 3.5" or so, and this one was more like 6-7".
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So I decided to try my hand at Suicide Hill/Cardiac Access section of the Red Ribbon trout area on Friday. Since there was a car already at Cardiac Access, I decided to at least check out what the big deal of Suicide Hill is. I got there and thought, where do you even descend down. Well after a little further investigating I found a good spot to descend. Anyways, I started fishing at 12:30 and got my first fish within 15 minutes. My biggest fish, a 12" Largemouth. I fished further near that area and the action kept coming. Mainly smaller and smaller fish though. Several Largemouth, and then a fish I haven't identified yet. Eventually I started moving around so I wouldn't stress the fish at any one small spot too much. I caught another couple Largemouth and a sunfish before getting in some brown trout. I have to say either those are some strong fish being in the rivers, or they know how to use the current to their advantage, or both but bottom line, I caught 2 of them, each time thinking I had a bigger fish on than what turned out to be maybe 11-12" ones. I was just fishing roostertails, mainly a white 1/24th one with gold blade and a rainbow trout colored 1/16th one. For the trout I kept throwing it in the deep water and reeling back, getting bites from time to time. Anyways, as it was getting close to dark I went back near where I started off and then got even a nice 11" Crappie (I think White Crappie), a small crappie after that, and an 11" Smallmouth but my phone had died by then. All together wound up with 13 fish in 4-5 hours. Biggest were the first Largemouth, and maybe the 11" Crappie. The Trout and Smallmouth were probably a little smaller weight wise, but actually I think they fought a little harder. Anyways it was a fun trip. If anyone knows what fish that is that isn't one of the common ones can you let me know?
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I recently went to the meramec red ribbon trout section and to my surprise I came across more action with warm water fish than the trout. One spot in particular, I was getting a lot of cooperation from, and after fishing it for a bit, it got me wondering, how much stress does a fight put on those kinds of fish during the winter when they need the energy reserves to get through it? In particular how does survival relate to size and species? Cause I was catching a decent range of species, of various smaller sizes with regularity. I used a rubber net, a single hook roostertail to release quicker, continued to wet my hand that I held the fish with, kept the net underwater as much as I could once they got caught, and tried to bring them in as quick as I could without losing them (albeit using a light action rod). But at the same time I was wondering how much I was lowering their chances of survival by catching them at a time that they're probably having a net loss in calories and energy anyways, especially when it came to the smaller fish. Eventually I decided it's best to spread the pressure out over a larger area, so I started moving more but it just got me wondering since people say not to stress the trout once it gets above a certain temperature, how does the opposite apply to Crappie, Largemouth, Rock Bass, Smallmouth and etc.
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I saw some pictures of the militia tearing down fences that delineate the actual refuge where cattle couldn't graze, so some cattle owner can graze his cattle within the actual refuge. With asshats like that there would be no wild animals in this world, just cattle. Not that I had any sympathy for those thieving assholes thinking they can just pretend public land is theirs and only theirs to do with as the wish, but now for sure I wish they make them dearly regret they ever got the idea to pull that dung.
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Sure does, thanks.
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Yeah I was thinking of giving Duck Creek CA a go for them since it's the closest to me from the spots that mention they have them, and since I'm still feeling more comfortable fishing slower, impounded waters with the kayak, rather than rivers, especially in winter. Or maybe it's Indian Trail CA that's closest. Hmm I have to look into that a bit more. Either way, plan on doing that this year.
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Yeah it was a really pleasant surprise. I think it might have been my most species diverse day yet.
