Wayne SW/MO

It was the concept Al. It was like swelling indicating infection. Why one company, why have others in the industry believe they will have to compete against government coffers? What the failure did was expose the fact that government is more interested money and influence then in CO2 levels.

A 5 weight is fine for smallies. The key, IMO, is in what you intend to throw. If you intend to throw clousers, bugs, or anything that resist moving then I would go with a 7 or 8. I like 8's, but I also fish around Bull Shoals and have wind to contend with. I bought a Flawless just recently, a 3 weight, and it is a fine rod. You can't beat the price right now either.

Are you above or below 10 Kill?

I believe Essox Niger catches a few somewhere around STL, but I don't know anymore than that. I wish they would put them in Bull Shoals, but it doesn't seem likely.

Yeah I don't blame you, they're a worthy fish.

i told you why EA bothers me, yet you act like it would perfectly acceptable for me to say I have data that disputes your claim, but I don't want you to have the chance to criticise it, and I lost some of the data, but don't worry I made some up to fill in the blanks. As a layman, what should I believe? according to you, its shut up and accept what you're told. Eric there is no doubt that anything that produces an excess of CO2 will have an impact, but theres a lot of space out there. But worse, there seems to be no real plan other than to pour money haphazardly into anything that makes it look like we're on top of the situation. The hype about the Volt and the hybrids is a good example of slight of hand. Were it not for the bs we would probably be burning natural gas in most of our individual transportation. It produces less co2 and, and, doesn't have to be imported and refined. Local transport like busses could be burning hydrogen and long haul could be burning bio diesel, which would absorb some CO2 before it's refined. We could be filling spaces with trees, we could do a lot of things rather then give money to handpicked businesses.

You need to take a long rod down there.

I agree.

The tipped fins are from the Redband strains. They're been introduced all over and I'm not sure any 100% pure strains even exist anymore. There are populations that are very close however. The Deschutes river that I've fished a lot hasn't been stocked in decades and the strain there is probably close to pure. You often hear people here say they caught a hatchery trout that was cut/bow becasue of some orange on the jaw, but that is also a trait of the Redband.

Ness this is what I have. http://www.amazon.com/Urban-Explorer-Canvas-Military-Shoulder/dp/B003A0WOHE/ref=pd_ybh_23 I have a couple of the Outfitters bags, vest, even one of the hand built aluminum chest packs, can't remember the name and too lazy to go look. I like this bag because it has a place for the few things I want to keep organized and room to throw in my lanyard and a spool if needed. If you warm water fly fish a lot you're likely to carry large fly boxes and several of them and the trout bags just don't cut it for me.

It's virtually impossible to stay with this. It keeps reverting back to two opinions with no room for anything else, there is no climate change, or there is and it is a result of mankind. Personally, again, I just can't buy the notion that man is the sole, or major, contributor to the problem. I don't know what the situation is there, but when I was in OR the FS wanted to salvage beetle killed timber, but environmentalist sued and prevented it. Eventually it burned, along with a lot of healthy timber.

Haven't they taken the lead in this and don't most scientist rely on their direction? Are you saying that none of the accusations concerning their data or their attitude toward review is true?

I've been combing the internet looking at carp flies. Those that have some wide popularity seem to share some ideas. Bead chain eyes, short tails and wings, or none. Colors seem to lean toward olive, tan, orange and yellow. It does appear that a person wouldn't be undergunned tieing something on a 3906B or similar hook with a short stubby squirrel tail, a dubbed body and a wing of squirrel or a hen collar.

No, again, in my eyes everything is geared toward man generating an abundance of CO2. The money is going to grease palms more than anything else and the track record reflects it. I've said before the system simply isn't addressing the problem to solve it, but to exploit it. Where's the progress in the holy graph? Is it acceptable in the scientific community now to hold research from anyone who might find fault with it? Is it acceptable to replace lost data arbitrariy? Do you, or would you? EA isn't addressing children who should be seen and not heard. I want to see things being done to at least soften the blow for my descendents when we realize we can't roll back the clock.

I've had several, but I now carry messenger bag that will carry 4 boxes, leaders and a few odds and ends. My vest is a Dr Slick lanyard. I've bought every gadget necessary to fly fish, and might have even used them on occasion, but they seem to serve me best in a box at home. The lanyard keeps my snips, tippet, and forceps handy and that is all I really use.

Tim you keep moving me around like a target. I accept global warming, at my age it is hard not to. That's not where my denial lies however. My problem is with how much of it is attributed to mankind, because that should be the focus of the strategy to cope with it. If we find that we have been barking up the wrong tree, it could get as ugly as starving people can get. We keep seeing this graph that is said to explain all, yet the lines don't really start to stay in sync until about 1970, about the same time we started to attacked this problem? One might conclude that if we have nothing to show for 40 years of effort we might be on the wrong track!

I guess one of the points I was trying to make Justin was that the government in my opinion should be helping you rather than just threatening you. We see more money than we can imagine going into coffers that not only mean nothing to us, they seldom reach us. Instead of making an all out effort to cut electricity through individual means, they're going to simply order more expensive alterations to the plants. Then when it hits the fan everyone will blame the power companies and the so called powers that be slip away.

Once again Tim, I realize that climate is changing and Justin I realize we need to change our ways to protect our environment, These are things i was probably aware of long before either of you, but the one fix will catch all that many subscribe to isn't cynical or ridiculous, but blind hope. We cut our emmisions and bam, the planet will settle down and we'll all live happily ever after. Of course if it doesn't and we find that other factors not benificial to East Anglica grants or others fortunes are as important or more so we're screwed. If you true belivers are right then we should be seeing some results, should we not? It's all about money. Fact or fiction, man made global warming is a gold mine. If there was any seriousness we would be burning NG in our rides, it's not perfect, but a lot better than anything we have at present and in the scheme of things would be a quick cheap bandaid. The reason we can't is money, it's much cheaper and 10% of a dollar isn't even close to 10% of $3. Instead we burn coal to produce electricity to power a car part of the time instead of refined crude so we can play it up as progress and act as if there is no money involved. We give fortunes in misguided ventures and nothing say to boost water temperatures via the sun before it enters a water heater. We do nothing to pick away at the little things that add up, but instead do the feel good things that line pockets and drag on, never quite getting them perfected before the technology is out dated.

Rainbows do a good job too.

Go to MDC and search, they will be in there somewhere. I believe that is true however.

The trouble is I seldom see them. I don't have flats available to me that are shallow enough to reveal them. I think my efforts, when I get busy, will be a hybrid approach. flies fished over a field or sour corn.

Are we talking about a climate change or man made global warming?? Once again, many as you do automatically believe that if Gore says "Climate Change is man made" and someone like me says I don't believe that then you jump to conclusions and ASSume that I meant I don't belive the climate is changing. I have a flash for you, I probably have had a much better view than ypou have. Who are these prominent conservatives, and you might want to clarify "prominent". Just to make sure we're on the same page.

I'm a "conservative" and what you apparently think is gospel isn't. Most conservatives I know are also smart enough to know that the climate cycles. We are also smart enough to know that Gore is getting so rich preaching his man made crisis as he chooses to keep flying his big belching jet all over tha planet. I know that East Anglica admitted they fudged the figures, because some were "lost" and apparently only available for a short time. We are also open minded enough to question why a proffesor in CA would try and discredit a non-profit non-believer if the facts were solid. Maybe, just maybe, some of us think that if we had the blown 500 million back from the Solyndra fiasco we could apply that to something like insuring that are food supply weathers the change, rather than our night lights. Maybe some of us do accept climate change, but just don't believe man is as important as he wants to believe. The main stream idea that is insisted on is that man is the biggest reason for climate change, I happen to believe he is probably the least important, well except to the entrepreneurs looking for easy money and the East Anglica followers. No we're aren't stupid, just practical, and we know the earth hasn't always had the climate it has had today or has science been able to peer into periods as short as the one in question. http://heartland.org...-interim-report

I don't know where you are, but Norfolk, Beaver, and the Arkansas all have good populations.