Wayne SW/MO

You have to remember that where oneshot and Wrench live they do get a peek at the cream of the rotten crop. I don't fish the TR tailwater anymore because I got tired of coming home aggravated every third or fourth time I went. You can have 20 or 30 people there fishing and being respectful of everyone else, but then along comes a very few who could care less. I've also had a couple of wading guides push their clients to run over others. Funny thing about them is there is never a vehicle in the lot with any advertising on it, so who knows how "professional' they are?

My experience with the sirens that if the water was high, a child had drown. If it was nice out either some one drank too much, or they used one of the old rope swings and drooped into water used to be 6' deep or more and is now 3'.

I believe that might be a carpsucker.

The story on Springfield TV news was that it was a women and it was a barge that someone was welding on.

We've also had a lot of rain after a long dry spell and I'm sure there was a build up of matter. Then there's the old leaky tanks that bfishin mentioned to add to it.

My son swears by black and it makes sense when there is a good moon or a lot of dock lights. It gives a good solid silhouette.

Did you forget it was Saturday? I swung through the park about noon and there weren't as many wet as I would have thought.

I think it's a mystery to a great extent and it kind of comes down to who knows? Maybe it's docks, TR and LOZ both have a lot of them. I do know that BS had a good reputation until TR was formed, but there was really nothing to compare it too because it was the only lake for hundreds of miles! When Beaver was formed it never really came off as an outstanding bass lake. Today BS probably gets the best spawning chances over the long haul if you include cover for the fingerlings, but there is no doubt the popularity of TR keeps it squeaky clean in the lake level department. BS might be something of a sleeper yet because it doesn't see any pressure and Norfolk sees even less. I've deliberately kept from mentioning another lake that has a pretty fair reputation for stripers and bass, Truman anyone? Table Rock and Bull Shoals are probably the last 2 big lakes capable of supporting a striper population left, but I'll be the first to agree that they probably wouldn't really add to TR, but they wouldn't hurt it and the died in the wool bassers would still have their pond. Bull Shoals and the surrounding region could probably benefit from them, especially economically..

You probably should have gone up Swan.

I don't what the reason is, but Beaver never produced like TR, nor did BS. But then again TR doesn't produce like it did in the late 60's and the 70's. TR is the only lake with 3 rivers feeding it though and that might have something to do with it. As far as feeding, stripers feed in mid-lake and tend to feed most heavily during the day when shad are in that area. The only downside that Texoma experienced that I'm aware of is to the sandie population. the lake did have a down turn in big stripers that they attributed to a fall off of the big shad needed to keep them healthy. It didn't affect the black bass. Toledo Bend had stripers from early on and it was as good as it gets for many many years, but I haven't fished it in quite awhile so can't speak to the present. If you look at the list of Texas lakes that have stripers you can find some pretty good bass lakes on the list. I don't see a need for stripers in TR because it has a pretty diverse fish population as it is, but no one can convince me that stripers would hurt it when the evidence shows that it doesn't hurt other lakes. LOZ, which produced before and after hybrids, which feed on smaller shad, were introduced. LOZ has produced in spite of heavy pressure.

More often than not its a gas leak and a failure to blow out the bilge. Sad event.

That's been my experience with them also. I've often wondered how the hatchlings survive, but they obviously do. Maybe they have the no smell cover of fawns?

A lot of people would have been happy with that. I didn't get in on the White river fishing before they meddled with it. I would have liked to have fished Owen's White. Unfortunately it's too late and change is upon us.

Like a kid that found his old favorite toy. :lol:

Well it was built by man so I suppose there is no standard. As far as going someplace else, it's a 2 way street. I've fished all my life for blacks, most of it in this state and haven't had any problems. It would be hard to introduce anything that would hurt the black bass here, they thrive everywhere.

Rules and limitations aren't unusual in many parts of the country. Many areas in the west require a toilet to do an overnight. Other rivers have limited access and a permit, obtained through a draw, to float them. The powers that be in the Missouri DNR should have to float the Niangua every Saturday morning in July starting at 10 AM. The problem I have with jets is the damage they do to the shoreline. Rivers naturally form their banks to accept current flowing down stream. When a jet goes upstream and sends waves in an unnatural direction it washes out the back side of rocks, gravel and rootwads and they end up in the river and no longer protect and maintain the banks.

Oh I know they do, but what I question is why stripers and not hybrids? I'm not being critical, but curious? I simply wondered if they thought too many hybrids would end up below the dam? What always surprises me is that many black bass fishermen have some dislike of stripers and their kin, but are quiet about walleyes that are a direct competitor to the blacks?

Hodge the one thing we don't know, or I don't think we do, is what the shad populations are in either lake. I know TR has a very good population of threadfin and that's not the shad you want temperate's reducing. It might just be that they don't think the shad to game fish is that bad in TR. As far as stocking BS you can't divide the lake by state boundaries today because the permit is so cheap mist people buy it and ignore state lines. The MDC has been at the for front of walleye stocking and with the spring runs we probably get all of our share. The stripers will also make runs and it will be a good economic plus for Forsyth at times. I wish it were hybrids, but I understand they have a tendency to migrate and I would assume they're afraid they might go trout fishing in the White.

You don't think they went over the low water.

I know, I want to see what is the basis for the objections that keep popping up. I fished Texoma, a world class also, before, during, and after establishment of stripers. There was some harm to the sand bass population and that was probably from them being in the wrong place and stripers having no preference between shad and sandies. The lake did need a change in blacks because of the aging of the lake and smallies were introduced. The stripers had some problem with not having enough food because of their dependence on shad, but never heard of any conflicts between the two. There is some, not a lot, of research that shows some improvement. The problem with doing research is that the big gizzards harm the smaller baitfish population and trying to tie the research together is said to hard to do.

Not trash, spent fuel.

Yes it is quite the melting pot. That is not a carp however, but a buffalo. They have a habit of hitting lures there.

The goggle eye in the James were likely Ozark bass, which is the native rock bass. I've caught Northern Rock Bass out of TR, but I don't think they were native in the White or its tributaries.

Given the fact that they don't even want humans in there, I doubt it would be allowed by individuals.

Well if we had some giggers on here that work the Niangua, some of them could give you some nice figures.