Phil Lilley
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Oh yea... shouldn't have any problems at all. But I'd fish all the way down, especially the pockets, eddies.
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We have had a wild pre-spring season so far. Several big rain events have sent lots of water into the White River system, which goes right through to Lake Taneycomo. It's not unusual to see this. I keep reminding myself, "my lake is a tailwater." We have to deal with whatever is sent our way. Table Rock and Beaver Lake are back down to a manageable levels while Bull Shoals remains rather high. Beaver Lake is at 1120 feet which is power pool, and Table Rock 915.6 feet, only 6 inches over power pool. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which manages all these lakes, has not been taking chances with either Beaver or Table Rock, releasing big volumes of water when either lake gets much more than two feet over power pool. That's why we've seen many days of four-full units of water running after big storms dump three-plus inches of rain over the area. The Southwest Power Administration has posted its schedule for Table Rock Dam, projecting to run 100 megawatts all day and night for the next three days. I don't believe it. If dam operators do run that, I would be very happy, but I think they will vary the flow similar to what they've been doing the last few days. If anything, I think they'll run less than they have posted, but we will see. Anglers have had to chase trout into the creeks off Taneycomo, which is pretty normal for our springtime pattern. The only problem is there's not a whole lot of room in some of the creeks for all the boats vying to catch some rainbows. But it does seems like everyone is managing well. Some of the guides, as well as other anglers, are finding that by heading all the way in to the back of these creeks where they'll find running water, they'll fish for schools of rainbows crowding into pools between riffles. Wade fishing is possible but a little tricky because these areas are privately owned and lined with brush and trees. Standing in the creek, in the water, is fine but getting out on the bank is not allowed without permission. These rainbows in the creeks, namely Short, Turkey, Coon, Roark and Bee (as well as Bull Creek), are chasers. They're schooling around looking for something to chase and eat, and because of the big numbers of these trout, it becomes a competition. So stripping flies like pine squirrels, wooly buggers and minnow imitations is working. If spin fishing, a spinner or small spoon, as well as a jig, is working, too. I thought that after generation slowed and the lake level had dropped, these trout would move out of the creeks, but they have not. Guide Bill Babler told me his clients caught more than 100 rainbows in Roark Creek today on a six-hour trip. He said the trout kept coming in to the creek from the lake. "There were more rainbows in Roark Creek at 11 a.m. than there were at 8 a.m." reported Babler. At one point, they were catching them on a bare Trout Magnet jig hook under a float. "It didn't matter what we threw at them, they ate it," he said. I want to mention one other thing about the creeks. The further up you go in these creeks, the more narrow they are. Navigating through other boats can be tricky. Will the boats bother the trout? No. They will move them around, but that's what they're doing anyways. The key is being neighborly. When entering the creek, go idle speed and try not to go right in front of someone fishing. If you have to, pause, ask and excuse yourself. And say thanks! Anchor on the side of the creek and leave the creek as open to fishing and travel as possible. If you're fishing off a dock or the back, get out early, before the water comes on and gets going. Fishing off our dock has been excellent early in the morning. We've been throwing 1/8th-ounce or 3/32nd-ounce jigs, but most are using Powerbait and/or Gulp eggs, white and orange. Minnows were the hot bait in March but not so much in April. I don't think it's because they won't catch trout. I think it's because people aren't using them but are catching fish on other baits. Minnows were catching a lot of brown trout, especially in the mouths of creeks like Fall Creek. The two hot stretches in the trophy area are from the cable to outlet #3, then from Lookout Island down to Fall Creek. And the hottest fly is a scud. The faster the water is running, the bigger the scud. I've heard some are using a size 8 when four units are running. I used a #12 light grey scud today while drifting these area while two units were running. If you're using a scud and it's not working, drop one size.
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Had no idea you guys had an accident. Sorry about that! Glad you had a good time otherwise.
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He does now!!
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Al and Mary's great Australia/New Zealand adventure
Phil Lilley replied to Al Agnew's topic in General Chat
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How do you know about Nancy Boys? That's a Naknek exclusive.
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Ok... there's got to be some limits to the titles... I called a kid a douche bag in architecture class in high school, out loud in front of the class and teacher. Mr. Waggerle's jaw dropped to the floor. It seems I didn't know what it meant, at the time
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Looks as if you're fishing 2 tournaments in one day, one on Stockton and one on LOZ. That'd be a trick! Got your date wrong on this thread.
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Had to google... still don't know.
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Don't worry- I'm not even going to check...
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Yea- that top "title" you can edit. Anyone can edit their own. Wait a minute.... I wonder if I can change the settings where everyone can edit each other's titles!? That would produce some drama!
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The Trophy Anglers Guild is a nationally standardized Catch and Release Trophy Fish Recognition Organization. What does that mean? For those anglers who might not catch an IGFA World Record or break a National Freshwater Fishing Hall of Fame Line Class Record, but who have still invested countless hours and small fortunes chasing "The One," the Trophy Anglers Guild offers a means of commemorating your Trophy Catch. The national standard means that no matter what state you travel to, if you are sporting the badge of the Trophy Anglers Guild, other fishermen will know that you are among an elite and exclusive group of anglers who have landed a fish that qualifies for the Guild. The Trophy Anglers Guild, also known as T.A.G., promotes Catch and Release, giving fishermen the ability to have a memento or keepsake from a catch without having to physically remove the fish from the fishery and also without having to invest in an expensive fiberglass replica. On top of a Certificate of Recognition, members also receive decals to go on a boat, vehicle, cooler or whatever you choose that displays your membership. They are also able to purchase exclusive merchandise, only available to those who have qualified. T.A.G. desires to create a friendly but competitive atmosphere for those of us who might not be able to actually fish on a tour, but still want to see where we stack up against friends and others across the country in our online registry (coming soon). And of course, the Trophy Anglers Guild is about the fish. We desire to see big fish being caught and released to grow and be caught again, increasing the overall quantity and quality of fishing. If interested, you can go to www.TrophyAnglersGuild.com and read more on our blog about how we got started. You can also submit, or TAG, your own fish and join the Guild.
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The Trophy Anglers Guild is a nationally standardized Catch and Release Trophy Fish Recognition Organization. What does that mean? For those anglers who might not catch an IGFA World Record or break a National Freshwater Fishing Hall of Fame Line Class Record, but who have still invested countless hours and small fortunes chasing "The One," the Trophy Anglers Guild offers a means of commemorating your Trophy Catch. The national standard means that no matter what state you travel to, if you are sporting the badge of the Trophy Anglers Guild, other fishermen will know that you are among an elite and exclusive group of anglers who have landed a fish that qualifies for the Guild. The Trophy Anglers Guild, also known as T.A.G., promotes Catch and Release, giving fishermen the ability to have a memento or keepsake from a catch without having to physically remove the fish from the fishery and also without having to invest in an expensive fiberglass replica. On top of a Certificate of Recognition, members also receive decals to go on a boat, vehicle, cooler or whatever you choose that displays your membership. They are also able to purchase exclusive merchandise, only available to those who have qualified. T.A.G. desires to create a friendly but competitive atmosphere for those of us who might not be able to actually fish on a tour, but still want to see where we stack up against friends and others across the country in our online registry (coming soon). And of course, the Trophy Anglers Guild is about the fish. We desire to see big fish being caught and released to grow and be caught again, increasing the overall quantity and quality of fishing. If interested, you can go to www.TrophyAnglersGuild.com and read more on our blog about how we got started. You can also submit, or TAG, your own fish and join the Guild. -
Yep- 10-25-05.
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We've had issues but never had to re register.
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I was there yesterday- dropping my son and fam at the airport. I thought about dropping by but we wanted to get back home after a busy weekend of kids. Send me your address - I'll mail you a bunch.
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Dang... I had to look. I didn't remember seeing that before- and I didn't remember changing any "ranks" to that name. BUT I looked and- if you have more than 3000 posts, your rank changes to it. I set that up years ago, giving members different ranks, changing with the number of posts. The rank names are all the fishes of Missouri. Random. I have been going back and changing what the forum calls titles. Members who joined, and are still active, back in 2005 and early 2006 I've changed to OAF Charter Members. It's a work in progress.
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A Sallisaw Middle School teacher and self-taught fly fisherman likely is holder of the new state-record rainbow trout for Oklahoma — and it is an accidental fish at that. Paul Glover coaxed the big fish to the shore of the Lower Illinois River on Saturday morning using a relatively spindly 5-weight fly rod and 2-pound-test leader. The fish, 29 3/16 inches long with a girth of 16 9/16 inches, weighed a whopping 11 pounds 4.32 ounces according to the angler’s signed and witnessed affidavit.
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A Sallisaw Middle School teacher and self-taught fly fisherman likely is holder of the new state-record rainbow trout for Oklahoma — and it is an accidental fish at that. Paul Glover coaxed the big fish to the shore of the Lower Illinois River on Saturday morning using a relatively spindly 5-weight fly rod and 2-pound-test leader. The fish, 29 3/16 inches long with a girth of 16 9/16 inches, weighed a whopping 11 pounds 4.32 ounces according to the angler’s signed and witnessed affidavit. -
Got it thanks.
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I'm not sure what power pool is anymore. They've changed things up with minimum flow AND I think they're managing the water differently since the 2011 floods. So who knows. But it does appear 915 is comfortable to them.
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Table Rock Lake was named from the large, table-like rocks along its shores. Limestone bluffs tower high over the rivers that flow into this beautiful lake in Southwest Missouri. The main tributary is the White River, but other rivers such as the James, Kings and Long have their own distinct characteristics, but most still have these bluffs along their banks. USACE Water Levels ~ Current Generation Conditions ~ Call 417-336-5083 for a Generation Recording. Because of the rocky bottom of the lake and its tributaries, Table Rock's water stays very clear. That can be unnerving to some anglers who are not used to fishing in such transparent water. Lighter line and other techniques are needed to fool the lake's wily bass and other sport fish. The "Rock" is well known for its smallmouth, as well as spotted and largemouth. It is an annual stop for the top professional bass circuits including the FLW Outdoors and the Bassmasters. Actually, you can find a bass tournament on Table Rock about every weekend of the year, if you look. The lake is also home to other fish more suitable for table fare such as white bass, walleye, crappie, goggleye and blue gill. Spoonbill make their run up the Kings and James rivers each spring where men in boats wait with big treble hooks. And those who like to set limb lines and trot lines for catfish will enjoy the river and creek arms of Table Rock where channel and flathead cats roam. Table Rock is a "Corp Lake," meaning its shores are owned by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers up to a certain elevation or "take" line. The dam was constructed in the late 1950's and the lake was filled in 1958. The deepest part of the lake is more than 200 feet deep, but most of the fishing is done on points, in coves and on flats in less than 50 feet of water. Informational Links: Missouri Department of Conservation Fish Structure Map (Interactive) 2018 TABLE ROCK LAKE ANNUAL REPORT (1).pdf US Army Corp of Engineers - Table Rock Lake Map Seasonal Lake Levels, Power Pools Table Rock Lake Top Flood Pool: 931.0 Power Pool: January 1 to April 30 ~~ 915 feet April 30 - May 1 ~~ 915 - 916 feet May 1 - June 1 ~~ 916 - 917 feet June 1 - November 30 ~~ 917 feet November 30 - December 1 ~~ 917 - 915 feet December 1 - 31 ~~ 915 feet Bottom Power Pool: 881.0 USACE Little Rock App (very useful!) Fishing License Costs: Missouri Resident Annual License is $12 Non-resident annual license is $49 Trout permits are only sold annually, and they are $10 for adults and $5 for kids under 16 years of age All Missouri licenses and permits expire on March 1 Non-resident One Day - $8 Non-resident Three Day - $24 Missouri Residents over age 65 only need a trout permit $10 Fun Facts Table Rock Dam is the second oldest dam on the White River, completed in 1958. Later, Bull Shoals and Beaver dams would be built creating four lakes in the White River Chain of Lakes. Table Rock Dam was constructed primarily for flood control, hydroelectric power and water supply. Electricity generated here at Table Rock Dam is used to meet peak energy demands. Table Rock is a link in a chain of power-producing stations that provide about seven million end-use customers in six states (Arkansas, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas) with power to meet peak demand periods. The Southwest Power Administration is our governing agency, and it sells and delivers this power to about 100 electric cooperative systems in these six states. Table Rock got its name, from an actual rock formation that, today, is the scenic overlook on Highway 165. It is a large, flat rock that was to be the original dam site. The Army Corps of Engineers, after drilling and taking core samples, learned the ground below Table Rock was too unstable for a dam of that size. There are caves and sinkholes in the immediate area. The dam site was moved a mile and a half upstream to its present location near Braid Mountain. The lake filled to capacity in 1961 — almost a year ahead of schedule.” — from John Fullerton, Branson historian, September 17, 2008. Table Rock is loved by many people for a variety of reasons. Its clear water makes it popular among scuba divers for deep dives, and its cleanliness makes it perfect for swimming, skiing, tubing, and kayaking along it shores, camping on its rocky banks, cliff diving and just cruising. Then there's the fishermen! Current State Record Fish Caught on Table Rock Lake Hybrid Black Bass - 5 pounds, 10 ounces, caught March 17, 2004 by Mark Fann of Nixa, MO. Spotted Bass (Kentucky) - 7 pounds, 8 ounces, caught April 6, 1966 by Gene Arnaud of Branson, MO. White Bass - 5 pounds, 6 ounces, caught March 19, 2002 by Scott Flood of Billings, MO. Smallmouth Bass (Jug Fishing) - 4 pounds, 3 ounces, caught September 18, 2002 by Paul V. Elder, House Springs, MO. Blue Gill (Limb Line) - 9 ounces, caught on June 13, 1995 by John Hardin Farmers Branch, Tx. Paddlefish (Snagged) - 140 lbs. 9 oz. Caught on March 21, 2015 by Andy Belobraydic III Richwoods, Mo Find all MDC State Record Here Buy Missouri Fishing Licenses Online! Bass Clubs -- Table Rock Bass Masters
