Phil Lilley

You can go with either extreme... and that's your options. Extreme #1 - Big Stuff, but mostly at night. But Tim Homesley has proven you can catch them during the day on leaches. Extreme #2 - Small Stuff. Brett Rader and Chuck Gries have been doing well wading below the dam and catching nice browns. Brett's using #20 and #22 scuds mainly, 6x tippet. Where you fish is important though and I can't give you those spots because I haven't been up there to find them. Of course the outlets will be full of fish and anglers too. I'd seek out slow moving water and out of the way places where fish haven't been bothered too much. Go slow and watch for them. Honestly- I think more big trout are caught on the small stuff than the big stuff on Taney.

I am confident there are. But trout move around, I believe. That's why we see a bunch of good fish in the trophy area certain times a year, then we don't. I'm sure they're where the food is and there's a lot of forage fish all down through the lake.

Shane Bush: The questions asked seem to be whether or not the triploids will come up higher the lake. SOH staff have already had quite a few triploids come up the fish ladder, so the answer is yes. However, in our electrofishing samples, most of the triploids we collected were around Fall Creek or below. Of course, that was in August so there may be more of those upstream now. The attachment is an excel file of a study Shane sent to me on triploids. TriploidTroutLiterature.xlsx

This is an email I got from Shane Bush today: · We conducted a creel survey of the entire lake from 2008-2010. Only 4 brown trout were harvested during the entire two year creel and all four of those were harvested in 2008. That’s a 99.7 percent release rate of brown trout lakewide. Therefore, an increased length limit would not likely do much for the brown trout fishery in Lake Taneycomo. · The high water in 2008 and 2009 created very poor water quality conditions in Table Rock Lake and subsequently, Lake Taneycomo and Shepherd of the Hills Fish Hatchery. The brown trout population in Lake Taneycomo during that time did not do well and survival of brown trout in the hatchery and stocked out into Taneycomo was not good during those years. Therefore, the brown trout population experienced a decline. We have been fortunate to have some better water quality from 2010 to the present and Shepherd of the Hills hatchery staff have done a fantastic job raising brown trout so that we could increase the stocking rate from 10,000 per year to 15,000 per year. · In an attempt to get the population to rebound from the floods, we’ve stocked 15,000 brown trout per year in Lake Taneycomo each year since 2011. Those fish are doing very well and contributing to angler catch rates this year. The 2011 fish are around 15-18 inches right now and based on fishing reports, anglers seem happy with the fish they are catching. These fish should reach 20 inches next year and provide the opportunity for anglers to harvest a true trophy. With harvest rates so low, I have no concerns that anglers will overharvest these fish and they will continue to grow larger. · Of the 15,000 brown trout stocked in 2013, 5,000 were triploid brown trout. MDC Resource Science Division staff have been working with management and hatchery staff on this project and another 5,000 triploid brown trout are scheduled to be stocked in 2014, along with the annual 10,000 diploid brown trout. · We continue to stock 700,000 rainbow trout annually. They studied the effects of suckers competing with rainbow trout for food for several years and did not notice any direct impacts that caused a decline in the quality or numbers of either species. I have attached some documents for your reference. The first is the Lake Taneycomo creel survey summary and the second is the 2012 Lake Taneycomo annual report. http://www.ozarkanglers.com/lake-taneycomo/2012-m-d-c-lake-taneycomo-annual-report/ http://www.ozarkanglers.com/lake-taneycomo/2008-09-lake-taneycomo-creel-survey/ Thanks, Shane Bush Fisheries Management Biologist Missouri Department of Conservation

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You nailed it. What material did you use?

Model # 9BT42GAAF 42 inch shaft

Yep- ran it across the surface. Micheal Kyle can speak to fishing mice better than I. The only place I've used them is in Alaska for rainbows, not here. And up there my experience in limited.

$150 each 4 years old. Good working order. Used on a rental boat.

Got to outlet #2 parking lot after midnight last night. Waded in below outlet #2. Water was dropped all the way out. Started with sinking line and a black pine squirrel, switched to a white pine squirrel - nothing. There were a few browns jumping down from #2 so I knew there were fish there. Switched to floating line. Using a black pine squirrel, I hooked something with shoulders. Brown! Close to 20 inches. Fished till 2:45 am. There was a short period of time when I'd get a strike on every cast, caught 6 rainbows (no size), then it stopped as quickly as it started. Short strikes after that. Tried white, olive, purple and black. They liked olive best. Tried a mouse and got one good blow up on it but it wasn't a big fish. Tried a sculpin and got a couple of short hits.

Deleted one post - this has headed way off course although I've learned some things about healthcare as well as some interesting personal stories. I think we can have a civil conversation about this - I really do. Who knows- we might even solve the problem with good constructive conversations. Just stay off the personal issues- take them to personal messages if you have to get personal. This topic is close.

Very interesting. And great pictures!! I tried a John Berry green butt soft hackle the other day with no results but they really weren't on the surface feeding that afternoon. I think we'll get to tying and stocking shortly!

I knew he should have walked Alverez... give him nothing to hit! He's a Cardinal Killer!! They pulled it out... Should do good in St Louie Wednesday. But if the Pirates beat us, I wish them well. They're a good group of guys who I think should go far in the playoffs. "No series win since 1979?!" Wow!!

I'll do it for you, Brian. Got it from your facebook post.

Probably ought to bring this back to the original topic of access to Corp lakes. Is anyone putting in at these ramps at all, moving barricades and such? Has anyone gotten tickets for violating the order? Anyone heard how this is affecting marinas like Cape Fair?

See comments in bold above. I think I've posted this thought on the forum before. I've been talking to some of our guides about it. If browns return to their spawning place by smell, then almost all of them would seek out outlet #3, not #1 or #2. Years past #1 and #2 outlets were stacked with browns because they were spawned and reared in that part of the hatchery. Now you don't see those big browns in those outlets, where they were pretty easy to catch. Now that outlet #3 is the target, of course they aren't in the flow of the outlet when the water is off, they come up when it's running and no one is there to bother them. My point is- it is much more difficult to catch these browns compared to before they change hatcheries- outlets. The brown run will never be the same as far as "catching fish in a barrel" like it used to be. This is only a theory- I may be totally wet...

Today with the water running? Besides the brown, how else was the fishing? Congrats.

And I think MDC has done a very good job here on Taney.

With all due respect, the slot wouldn't work. They would never make it to 20 inches. They'd be taken along with the rainbows unless they grew up in the trophy area which I don't think most do. The average stay of a rainbow is said to be only 30 days below Fall Creek. Here's something I think would surprise you... I don't know of one legal brown cleaned on my dock this year. I can't remember the last one. None of our guides will kill a brown. I don't get up to the dam and wade fish much so I can't speak to how many are kept up there. Can anyone? I would think some of the regulars could. I'll ask a few next time I'm up there. Point is, I don't think raising the limit will help a great deal, but I'm not a fishery biologist. Would I be for it? Sure. But you'd have to show me how it would help. The best thing for our brown trout population is to keep the lake as clean and in as good shape as possible and hope rains and generation will cooperate in the fall months. No big rains, no floods gates, no hard generation, no high water temps. Those are our brown's biggest enemies. Well, that and poachers BUT you have to be GOOD to even CATCH a big brown BEFORE you can poach. Unless you snag or gig I guess.

Jerry's right. Dud today.

I guess MLB is testing the waters to see if they can make more money on MLB.TV than TBS today... I for one am not going to pay the $4.99 because if enough do, they'll start broadcast playoff games via internet instead of free network TV. I say free- know it's not free- but that's what most of us have - cable TV. I'll listen on the radio.

Supposed to average 11.5 inches. Some of the fish they stocked last week in the Branson Landing area were 15 inches. Sometimes they're 9 inches. I guess that's what they call "average". What you're seeing is typical. It varies a lot.

They're in Taneycomo but only the lower end. They say ZM's won't do well in most of our lakes because they're too clear, especially Taneycomo. Where ever the water is colored more, they'll do better like the arms on Table Rock. That's where you don't want them.

Scott called me (F&F) and said guys with boats are having to turn around at Corp ramps and find other means of launching.

Through my life I have read most of the Bible but it's been by studies and piece meal. I've never just read through it. So for whatever reason I started, from the beginning, now I'm through Kings. It's been very enjoyable and I've seen things I didn't see before. I'm also reading Francis A Schaeffer's Trilogy. I got read it 4 times over and make notes to understand it. I'm not a good reader- never have been. But I've spent more time reading the last couple of months than ever before. It's been good.