Phil Lilley

I have no idea. Couple of weeks? Depends on how fast they draw it. I got out for the first time this evening for an hour. Started at Dry Wash above Fall Creek and drifted down past the flats working the middle to deep channel. Threw nothing but 3/32nd oz jigs straight - worked off the bottom. They wanted it jigged sharply, not slow. Caught 8 rainbows, mostly at or below the flat. Lots of suckers... not many trout that I could see. Missed more than I landed. My second trout was a very nice rainbow- 19 inches and fat. Started with a sculpin, then tried a white which they ran from, then a sculpin/peach. I wanted to see the jig- see the strike. Great to get back on the water again. Took a while to get my touch back.

A mix-bag for sure. hard to say but I'm sure some generation most afternoons and some mornings.

Nice to know there are rainbows of that size there!! Very nice.

Haven't written a fishing report in almost a month. May be a record... not a good one I guess. But being gone plus not fishing since being back has made is hard to write one. Been real busy with home improvements this past week... but you really don't want to hear all that. This was quite a July, wasn't it? Sure love this global cooling. Fish do too. Generation has been different almost everyday. We check the charts every afternoon to see what they will do the next day - alot of our guests come in and check. It's been pretty accurate. Most mornings it's off and running in the afternoon - up to 4 units. I've heard the same thing everyone has heard about Beaver being dropped resulting in more generation here but we haven't seen it yet. Fly fishing below the dam has been fair to good- depends on the day and time of day. Still catching rainbows on dries - beetles and ants, some midges. With all the rain we're having, San Juan worms in brown and tan are working good in the swifter moving water and with the water running. Scuds in #18's and #20's in tan, olive and brown have been good but have to use 7x tippet to do any good, especially in sunny weather. From a boat, they're using either micro jigs or small 1/125th oz jigs under a float when the water is off both above Fall Creek and below. No wind, the bite has been REAL slight, barely moving the float so you really have to pay attention. And again, 2 lb line a must. Change colors if you're not getting bit. Vince reported NOT catching fish on olive but changed to sculpin and did good. There's not much difference in those colors... but it made a difference yesterday. If they stop hitting one color, don't keep fishing it, change. Change depths too. Below Fall Creek, Bill's been catching some REAL nice rainbows on night crawlers, water running or not. Also, I'd think you'd do well working 1/8th oz jigs along the bluff bank while the water is running. Water off, they've been catching rainbow on gulp power bait, anchoring on the shallow side and throwing to the middle from Short Creek up to Fall Creek. Anchor off the channel and you won't have boats running over you all day. More later... when I get and to fish. And I will.

If it's the guy from Lazy Valley, I've been told he's taking 3-4 limits of trout each day this week. Sure wish someone would check him!

Careful... you can catch trout on a yarn egg fly, no scent, on the bottom, still, and catch fish just like, but not as affective as, power bait. Yarn is legal... presently.

" Not looking for anything fancy, just want a clean room, nice folks and a stall for my boat." Wanda does a great job. You'll be happy with OTR.

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My point exactly. And I quote, "he laughed and shook his head." I've been "baiting" you all a bit, making an argument that a coffee bean is not necessarily "natural"... they are. But, again, I point to intent. An agent would have to be a Barney Fife character to write a ticket on such a thing. I'd interject that the only way he'd write a ticket is if the angler was belligerent about the confrontation with the agent. Otherwise, I think they'd have a good laugh. We fly fishers... we take ourselves WAY too seriously, don't we!?!?!? Coffee Beans.

Good point.

Excellent point.

Natural... hummm... I'd think hair, and fur would be "natural". Certainly not artificial. Feathers? Cork? Not in the code, not legal? That covers alot of territory. Sure you want to go there? And a bean isn't "bait". Again- going to intention. I am fly fishing with something I'm not trying to get an advantage of because it's "natural". It's the same size and shape of a bug and it floats. It has a "natural" crack where the hook goes. It's shell is round, exactly like a beetle. It's not "fly tying material" covered under the code? What is? I can name dozens of items in an arts and crafts shop that aren't considered "fly tying material" that could be used to tie flies and they'd be ok with MDC. Comparing corn and marshmallows to a coffee bean isn't comparing apples to apples. Find something else that would be a closer comparison and I might relent. Shaffer... where are you anyhow!?! Defend you fly!!

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"If the bean smelled like something natural that would attract a strike, then yes, it'd be illegal. But it does not. It's a coffee bean." I'm quoting my own post... Didn't come out the way I wanted. Natural - fish smell like the codes states. Everything has a natural smell. Natural to attract fish is what it speaks to. PS- it took an hour to post this... too many phone calls and selling fishing lisc's. I'm not keeping up today. Good debate.

Still don't buy it. Comparison to corn... corn doesn't smell. What smells is what you soak it in - what comes in the can or whatever you chose. The other is the size and how it's fished. It goes to intent. You're fishing a coffee bean on the surface to imitate a beetle. It's a lure, a fly. If the bean smelled like something natural that would attract a strike, then yes, it'd be illegal. But it does not. It's a coffee bean.

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(A) Natural and scented baits—A natural fish food such as bait fish, crayfish, frogs permitted as bait, grubs, insects, larvae, worms, salmon eggs, cheese, corn, coffee beans and other food substances not containing any ingredient to stupefy, injure or kill fish. Does not include flies or artificial lures. Includes dough bait, putty or paste-type bait, any substance designed to attract fish by taste or smell and any fly, lure or bait containing or used with such substances. Oh... upon reading it a third time, I see I missed the mention of coffee beans... sorry! My bad!

It's reading the code that way. Seen it before. So I don't think I see anything in the code that I would identify coffee beans under. Am I missing something?

Yea- I can see it now. The judge would laugh MDC right out of the room. Coffee Bean illegal- natural bait?!?!? Come on. This one I have to take exception of. It is not soft. It does not hold a scent except for it's natural smell - coffee. With glue and head cement applied, the smell wouldn't even get through. I'm looking forward to trying it. Waiting for Brian to come over and make some- then go out and try. Will video our results!

http://ozarkanglers.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=18503

This is similar to the event we did a couple of years ago but extended to a weekend, not just a day.

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Whitesocs... they take a chunk out of ya!