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It is not the partiers or the drugies that create these landowner and boat owner problems. 99 44/100 % of the time when an issue comes up between a godlike boater that thinks he owns what ever he can see and a landowner that pays the taxes, picks up the garbage and repairs the fences, it is the allmighty boatman who is the problem, period. I've lived within walking distance of a low water bridge off and on for over sixty years and I have only seen one instance of the land owner having a dispute with "party people", but I've seen hundreds of incidents involving boaters (kayak, canoe, jon boat, all can be operated by gizmos) including the inebriated giggers that cut the fence wire, pulled up two steel T posts and backed the boat trailer through the hole and 25 yards across the gravel bar to get it into foot deep water 10 yards wide. Three Deputies showed up just time, I think, to prevent a shooting that day. Kayakers landing on what is obviously a part of the house lawn and relieving them selves was a regular thing one summer, until the County put up no parking signs and deputies patrolled a couple times daily. About half the kayaks and canoes have fishing tackle visible and these are usually the trouble makers if there are any, and they almost always have a beverage in a foam cover in hand. fwiw, both the party people and the druggies avoid confrontation that might involve law enforcement- ask them to leave and they do, maybe protesting while they load up but it is very rare they want to have you call the Sheriff. More than half of the fishermen want trouble. 40-50% are sober, polite and end up having friendly conversation with the landowners. A lot of aliens come there to get supper and they come in groups of many, taking undersized fish and no limit numbers, but I have never seen a group of them leave trash behind or start a fight with the farmer- again they want to avoid law enforcement. Gentlemen the Enemy is us, I'm so proud of our fellow anglers.

If you can prove ownership in a court and pay all the taxes, you can access them. Ownership (deeds) of the local stream is in the farmer's name and the farmer pays the same rate of tax on it as he does on good crop land.

yeah that is what I was talking about, just taking it a stage farther by predicting results - like looking at a hole and predicting a fish lives there rather than blind casting on barren water You just said that you study everything, isn't that doing exactly the same thing without the pencil? surely you make mental notes and recall them on another outing?

I can see where he could cite them if they were casting into Park water or keeping illegal fish or using illegal bait, but I've never seen a regulation that prohibits casting in a general direction? Maybe they didn't have any permits. Now that is important. But I don't know why..

What was the charge on the tickets?

Moon would have the same gravitational pull on loz as it does the Atlantic doesn't it? I know there used to a lot of deer hunters that used the solunar tables to predict deer movement/feeding times, if the tide tables affect deer wouldn't they also affect fish and frogs? New and full moons are when there are the highest and lowest tides, as the sun's gravity is added to that of the moon- are these better or worse fishing times? Roughly speaking the high tides would be when the moon is straight overhead or straight under foot (on the exact opposite side of the earth) I have a theory about low light and fish movement; little fish that move around in bright light are visible and get eaten so that the survivors are hose that shunned light when small and having always shunned light they continue to as large fish, when they become the predators they still react as the prey that they were in early life . Deeper water on bright days would be where the light level is lowest. Likewise the shade of a bank, log or boulder- low light being relative. All prey animals are prone to seek shadows or be crepuscular/nocturnal. Daily atmospheric pressure has an effect on fish and animal movement also, just as it affects how humans feel on a particular day. do you do better when the pressure is high or when it is low? Maybe on the rise or on the falling barometer? Some scientist (I know that's like a four letter word) say that low pressure causes fish air bladders to expand and the fish to go deeper in the water try to feel better as the water pressure contracts the air bladders. According this fish would be more active in all parts of the water column when the barometer is a bit high, most active just before the fall in pressure (they feel the changes coming) and least active when the low pressure is settled over them. It would be interesting to use moon phase, moon position, forecast barometer and forecast sun to calculate the best and worst fishing times/days and then to fish at those exact times to see if the calculated predictions prove out, what?

But hey I need that rod for nymphs size 22- 16 and and a different rod for nymphs #16-8 and gosh dry flies- ya got deer hair and elk hair and divided wing and parachute and every one deserves it's rig- gnats and nits and pupae and larva ... I was in the wally store a few weeks ago a man was just looking at some great big bass hoagie thing and we talked a bit and he told me how he took 17 bass rods in his boat and his son took 11 on each trip to the lake, said that wasn't always enough. 'plained how you need a different rod for these different lures (he called em baits, but he was talkin bout lures) and then also for different presentations and and.. I went right home and got on the e auction looking for new fly rods. I know fly fishing has to be more complicated than just ole bass fishin and if it takes more rods, I'll just have to get more rods & reels & six lines each & like as not then I'll need a trailer to haul all that stuff and an index of when to use what under which conditions

I just wade a little deeper, usually. But fishing those kettle ponds up east that's only good for three steps, so you got to roll it from there..

So, tides, moon rise changing daily play any part in those feeding times?

Any fly rod is worth just what you are willing to pay for it, like anything else in life. If the 1100$ tag turns your wheels, go for it. The same is true of the broom handle Sage rods, if that's what you like they are perfect. I kinda like rod that bends, and anything lighter than 7 isn't going to get much use by me. I don't cast very much and I've never found any rod that was too slow or too fast- I have found rods too soft to lift a bass and I have found rods to stiff to roll cast well. One of the comments above said that you need to find what fits your stroke/style and that pretty much covers it all. I always wonder at people on these forums that ask what rod is best for this fish or kind of water or what line to use on xz rod; it should be obvious that some people like all of the various selections or they wouldn't be there to chose from. Any line out there and any rod out there will work just fine for some one, if I want to know what works best for me I have to try most of them. I know my limitations and smaller than 6wt is just going to frustrate me with all the effort it takes, longer than 8'6" is just going to wreck my shoulder more, shorter than 7' isn't going to make very long rolls and so on, line weight of 7 or 8 has enough mass that I can get a 5" long rabbit strip out there a little ways or chuck a 1/16 jig or shot to get it below the foam in the fast chute, really big bass streamers might see the old WF9F line. I kinda know what I would like in a streamer rod and it happens to be the same things I like in a dry fly rod, but I can't even guess what your favorite color is never mind what will work with your casting style. If I had use a Sage rod it would be to push the boat with, I would hand line the fish. The very early Sage were pretty decent but nothing I've looked at of theirs for years felt remotely like a fly rod to me. I have never used a Winston on the water but I think from the shaky test that I would love one. What I have done in the last few years is gone back to fiberglass, it is much easier on my body. But, I would not recommend that to everyone. A soft tip full flex 8.5' 9wt is a great still water trout rod with the right leaders and flies down to 26, and it has the brawn to take to the bay when the morning hatch is done, or wrestle large mouth out of lily pads. People that like to cast and people that like to fish aren't always going to be on the same page.and that 's not a bad thing

And that makes one wonder just how smart (or exceptional) those bass fishermen are. Ten minutes either way and I'm just getting my exercise in. One of my favorite spots sees a gang of fishermen every week and >98% of them will catch hand size or smaller fish, but the few that hit it at the right moment can really bend a rod. I imagine that in other spots the fish have to work harder to get enough to eat and so are feeding at all times of day.

Sure, global warming is why we no longer have glaciers and why possums have replaced mastodons. It's been a lot more than a couple unnoticed degrees too.

I thought he was saying that only a college indoctrinated person could believe that. It is funny if you take it that way. Truth, though, is that if we still glaciers in north Mo. many of our every day critters wouldn't live here; so it turns out that global warming isn't all hype.

Yeah That's what I've always read. Maybe there's as much difference in bullheads as there is between channel cats and flatheads. I was just reading all the mud pond stories and got to thinking back where when fishing with worms it was 50/50 hornpout or trout. I'm kinda ignorant of ichthyology, I called long ears punkinseeds all my life til internet came here. But I do know that you can't catch many flatheads on stink bait made for channels. Also if I search 'kivver' it will show only pumpkinseed, and I saw more blue gill and redbreast called kivver than I did pumpkinseed, not even sure they had pumpkinseed, because the fish that color were all dinky like a longear.

It occurs to me that a bullhead and a horned pout may not be exactly the same. The 15 years I lived and fished in southern New England all the good hornpout waters I encountered were also good trout waters. I don't recall ever catching them in warm ponds that I fished for lmb and chain pickerel. I know I never caught any in any warm streams. And I cleaned a ton of hornpout in those years because they were one of my ma in law's favorite fish. Trout eat baby hornpout like hogs eat corn, in one spring fed lake all the trout would move to the only cove shallow enough for the hornpout to bed and for a couple weeks fishing got real tough.

What kind of lures? I think I have noticed that some flies catch only small bass while some never catch a small bass, don't have a firm pattern yet tho so I'll have to keep fishing for them. Coincidentally it seems the flies that take small small mouths also work better for large mouths than for larger small mouths.

I can go ten, fifteen years at a time not seeing a bobcat if I don' set traps for them, doesn't mean they ain't there it just means I didn't hunt or trap them. they may have moved south or east or west to fill in a void where you are but having seen many as far north as Idaho and Oregon in the mid fifties I don;t see any possibility that they are trending to move north. They were in the New England states prior to the '70s. Armadillos yes and I believe a lot of their movement is in truck loads of plastic pipe, heard about one being seen in NH 30 years ago but she didn't survive. The only way they can expand their territory is move north or swim the Gulf.

The way they swim, if they are on one side they will also be on the other side, now if they had said none north of the Interstate, that would make sense -hardly anything can cross the Interstate.

Typically after catching the same bass three times on almost consecutive casts with the same fly, I'll go to another hole. Maybe they just look the same...

fwiw; Just scanned my 2017 version of Paddler's guide to Missouri; Finley Creek This James River tributary can be floated in high or medium-high water. A floating-wading technique is better for lower water and fishing. There are dams to portage, but the pools they form are short. The gradient of the lower 18 miles is 6.5. Difficulty: I; a few places rate up to III due to obstructions. Gradients: general - 6.5. Counties: Christian, Stone. 0.0 Hwy. 125 Bridge below dam of Lindenlure Lake. 2.8 Smyrna Road Bridge. Access. 4.0 Smallen Cave Branch on right. The commercialized Civil War Cave has one of the largest entrances in the state. 4.7 Riverside Road Bridge. No access. 6.2 Hwy. 65 Bridge and mill dam. Jim Turner public Fishing Access (Ozark). portage. 12.5 Dam at Riverdale. portage. Access at bridge just below dam. 13.5 H*y. 160 Bridge. No access. 15.7 Aspen Road Bridge. Access. 17.5 Craig Hollow Creek on left. 18.7 Two Rivers Road/Equine Valley Road Ford. Access. 18.9 James River.

Kids just get control of the upper end, the majority of the park is just about normal in the times I've been there and Zone 3 is almost always left alone. Park is always chock full of trout, winter or summer. Only difference is in winter it is no kill except with cameras and the stockings are further apart instead of daily. (I think I was told weekly to support the C&R - that's a lot of camera poisoning) In past years they have stocked some biggies for the kids, last time I took a grandson some other kid caught a 6#+ for the big fish of the day. I doubt that will happen this time because the hatchery is down. But the nice thing is they furnish tackle for those that don't have it and give basic instruction to those that want it. Even had fly casting lessons for kids. I have to think that if I was half way between those two parks though, I'd also be within driving distance of Montauk, a place I'd like to visit more often.

We still had glaciers in Idaho in the '50/60s and we had cats also. They must have been chasing them ice packs north.

When did this happen?

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