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As many people as there are in the Parks, the Rangers must look for triggers of who to check, they couldn't possibly check every one. They'd end up checking one guy 6 times and missing two dozen others. Not enough of them to be everywhere at once. It seems like ten times as many "fly fishers" as five years ago and twenty times as many as ten years ago. And it seems like 80% of "fly fishers" don't use "fly tackle".

The enforcement division wanted to last year as you will recall. It's been obvious for decades that they don't know how to define "fly" , because every year the definition changes. They need to quit trying and just say artificial lure. I've seen the Ranger talking to guys at RRSP during the C&R. What he asked or checked, I'm not sure. I know he's not there all the time and works other Parks but not sure which ones. I was told last year that he would ticket a squirmy, but I didn't talk to him about them because I don't have any. It's been years since I've seen a CA at the Park, but I did see one writing a citation at Capps last season, so they check some things. The local Agent will check me and ask 50 questions every time he sees me on the Elk, but I never see him on the tribs, but that doesn't mean he isn't checking them cause I ain't out there as much as I used to be. He never asks to examine the fly but he does look at it as he's asking other stuff.

That is kinda what I thought until I saw the reply above. The squirmies Ive seen pictures of before were tied like San Juan Worms.

So it would be legal on the Blue Ribbons?

First time I've seen that. Are those considered "flies" by the Park Ranger?

But they are allowed in international fly fishing, and they meet the "any other material" tied to a hook requirement.

Yes and no, I consider silk natural, and I use it for some flies. But I do use synthetic threads frequently, I guess I think of thread as "thread" rather than "materials". And I like a strand of crystal flash here and there. Perhaps I use more synthetics than I thought I do, I'm glad they say "any other material" :)

The calls you want to search are Night Flight Calls or NFC, most birds seem to migrate at night and scientist record and count them.

I like natural materials and rarely use synthetics, except for gurglers and beetles. I like changing and adapting things too. I don't like calling casting gear and lures flies for use on "fly only" waters. Either better define fly and fly fishing or drop the pretense of "special regulations".

If we are going to that effort why not just use all fur, feathers and hair? The rubber is legal.

For a long time my favorite hopper was a Hornberg Special, but recently I just throw Elk Hair caddis up against the bank or use a foam beetle. On tippets, I experimented quite a bit in a nice clear spring pond back east, and using night crawlers, over a several week time frame, determined that given two baits on different size leaders the trout would always take the smallest leader down as fine as 8X over 7X , but given two baits on the same size leaders they took one or the other randomly up to 20# gold Stren, so there is an argument for finer leaders, but trout aren't smart enough to know that and will take on pretty heavy stuff. I like sizing the tippet to the fly so that I get the degree of motion that I want.

no thread required, glue or any other means of "permanent" fastening works. Under this definition a Johnson Silver Minnow is a fly, the metal shell is "other material" and soldering is "permanently fastening".

We really need to just drop the "fly only" regulations or find a better way to define "fly fishing". Some states call for use of fly rod and single action reel and others just call for "artificial lure only" , which is about what we have. Remember when MDC tried to define "fly" by listing all the materials allowed, and always missed something, so they added "any other material"? It used to say "tied" to a hook, which made glued stuff illegal so they included "or permanently fastened to" ; and now after the upset last season over rubber legs that had been legal for years, they dropped the "other" so it just says "any material except" . As I read the regulation quoted above from the Code, "egg flies", "sucker spawn", "glow balls" etc. made of "synthetic" material would be "synthetic eggs" and thus illegal on "fly" waters, but I'm sure that's not the intent. All synthetic materials are some form of "plastic" and a large portion of modern flies are built of synthetics. I'll ask, are "squirmy worms" flies? they are allowed in international fly competition but they are no doubt soft, and plastic, and I can smell the plastic, so they have scent but are technically unscented and they are "worms"- they fit the "soft plastic bait" profile perfectly. Why if the fly fishing competitions allow them as fly do we not? (maybe we do, I don't know) Even the San Juan Worms are "synthetic worms" and I see a lot of those in the park. On an international fly fishing forum the question of "it's not fly fishing" got about 25 pages and 500 responses with no consensus, although the most common idea was that fly rod, fly reel, and fly line must be required. A common notion is that the line must carry the fly and not the other way around, this would eliminate spinning and casting gear. But the imortant take away is that all these fly anglers can't define "fly fishing" to everyone's satisfaction.I think that what can't be concisely and clearly defined can't be regulated clearly. I'm not sure why we need or want areas designated as "fly only" ?

(B) Soft plastic bait (unscented)—Synthetic eggs, synthetic worms, synthetic grubs, and soft plastic lures. (C) Artificial lure—A lure constructed of any material excluding soft plastic bait and natural and scented bait as defined in (A) or (B) above. (D) Fly—An artificial lure constructed on a single-point hook, using any material except soft plastic bait and natural and scent- ed bait as defined in (A) or (B) above, that is tied, glued, or otherwise permanently attached.

All the heavy trucks that I recall from the early years had 6s, 292 was the big one, any V8s always seemed to be in light applications, but I'm just going by memory.

I had to check this out, since I never saw one in a school bus when I was riding them, and a kid in high school had one in his Camaro until it became airborne. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_small-block_engine#350 https://www.enginefacts.com/chevrolet350/

Chevy had V8 option in '55 and 8' beds in '56 or '57. I don't recall older four speed Chevys but the '62 and '64 both had 4 speeds and the dozen or so '49-'53 F-1 s that I owned all but one had 4 speeds, all had V8s too. I thought the small blocks all started with the '57 283 and the 350 was where it maxed out?

Maybe they just don't want to argue with God, it is Her snow, kinda disrespectful to throw it away?

Won't need to then, it'll stop leaking.

That's why I fish a floater, usually it's a second or two from water contact to log jam or out of the "hole". A weighted fly has worked a time or two. 3' of L13 works when I go to the trouble of using it. The 7' in 7ips might work but I'd like to know how heavy it is. RIO doesn't seem to share that.

I couldn't find a grain weight listed for those and they still sink too slow for me to believe I'd like them in creeks.

I don't use sinking lines enough to know much about them, for me they are essentially for still water only and I can't recall the last time I used one. In streams I'm almost always using a floating line for easy pickup, and almost always a 7wt. I asked that be cause of a discussion on another forum where they were touted as far superior to other sinkers for light tackle.

@fishinwrenchhave you tried the Teeny T-100 or T130 on the 5wt?

God put it there and God will take it away. 1/4 mile driveway then 4 miles of never plowed and seldom graded county roads to get to a last priority state road and 3 miles of that to get to the US highway that is still listed as "Covered" . You buy good tires and learn to drive, anything less than bumper deep is manageable. Knee high boots are good for that deep as well and if there is more than that, just stay in.

I'm a vintage fly fisher, been tying on a Thompson A since 1976, still have odds and ends of feathers and materials from about that time, still tying on hooks that I bought in bulk about '78 when I contemplated commercial tying, use Perrine boxes always and most of the time I use one of the dozen? vintage fiberglass fly rods I own. The boxes look like Perrines, if so, the large Perrine box in the picture is #99, I think, and has places for 20 snelled flies, 60 eyed flies and 6 lure compartments, per the catalog page, it is one that I don't have because I never snelled my flies. The small box would be #60 or #67 (3/4" or 7/8" thick) and has clips for 60 wet flies. The round leader tins were for soaking spare gut leaders so that you could replace a leader on the stream, gut was before my time, since nylon monofilament was invented in 1954 and by the '60s was widely accepted.