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Missouri rules prohibit rubber and vinyl in flies.
tjm replied to bkbying89's topic in General Flyfishing Topics
I'm sure most fishing regulations came into being to appease one user group or another rather than because of any science, or any real management concerns. I can't keep eating size bass from my home water because other anglers want "trophy" size fish, why would people want to hang food on the wall? Now there is movement to trophyize carp another food item. Part of Roaring River is designated catch and release to appease the vegan anglers. -
They're gettin there, on the other side of the same hill the unregulated Elk is currently about 27300 cfs. So far this has been a really productive storm.
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Anderson got hit pretty hard, over 59 and Main street bridges.
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Instant Pot is a pressure cooker, high pressure with steam, cooks chicken fast. Faster than conventional pressure cookers, I don't know all the stuff it will do, but it is not self cleaning. About the opposite of Crock-pot. The daughters use them all the time and gave us one a few months ago. It probably would clean parts too.
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So not a good day to fly fish the tail water?
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Should be good for enforcing no wake speeds, eh?
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A comparison for those who doubt, from a Mo. resort offering private trout fishing:
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If you count the National Forrest and USACE lands/waters managed in part by MDC you have a few million acres.
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I'm near Pineville Mo. in the Elk River drainage.
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I got no idea how much we've gotten since last might but had ~6 in an hour early this morning before the container over flowed and I guess another 6" since then, it was all runoff after the first 1/4", had sheets of water on sloped ground. So the Neosho/Arkansas is getting a good refill.
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~acre and half, so do the deer live there: sleep, eat, breed and have fawns without using other lands? Or is your place just on the route to somewhere else, similar to a "deer crossing" on the interstate? (they won't let us hunt the interstate either and there's acres and acres of habitat. 100x100; Big house too, is that a chore to clean?
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JD, it's a socialist country we live in and every body is on the government teat. I can't think of three jobs that don't get the money from the government in some way. I worked 50 years in construction and you could track every job to government subsidy of some sort.
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I think the Safety Inspection Station and Sheriff is recent change, I recall some years ago it was required to bring the trailer to Carthage to the Highway Patrol for inspection. =3 hours round trip so it just got used on the farm. If you still have that trailer you might try it again. But the idea is home made should be obvious if it looks factory made with no modifications of tongue or axle etc. it could be hard to convince anyone that it is homemade. Obviously, if it is entire made of scrap, old car axle and construction iron for frame etc. you can't have receipts for parts. Then the story is "there is a junk pile at home that was there when I was born, that's where I got the parts"
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If they simply go back to the question township and range from the legal description they wouldn't really need a "registry", but if mainlining a registry gives three more people jobs, that's three more people off welfare.
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Missouri rules prohibit rubber and vinyl in flies.
tjm replied to bkbying89's topic in General Flyfishing Topics
Whoever wrote the laws. It is the agent's job to enforce the code, period. Agents have no other purpose. The only more an agent can do is more enforcement of the Code as written with no interpretation. If you can get the commission to reset the code so that the only law we have is "don't keep more than your limit" and do away with the stupid zones in the Parks, it won't affect me one way or another. But until they change the Code, I shan't encourage folks to break the game laws- by definition that is poaching whether the poacher keeps the game or not. Oh, no the guy with the squirt bottle did not catch a fish that day, his first cast after squirting was interrupted by a trip to the car in company with the agent. I've never used scents, so don't know if they work, but apparently some people think so, Berkley has sold a sack full of Powerbait. There might be a reason that scented plastic is regulated differently than unscented plastic? idk -
Missouri rules prohibit rubber and vinyl in flies.
tjm replied to bkbying89's topic in General Flyfishing Topics
Reread your source. It says somewhere on that page that it is not the law. It should also have a link to the SOS site that I linked above, which is the law that will be referenced in court. But, if you read what you quoted, it says " (B) Soft plastic bait (unscented)—Synthetic eggs, synthetic worms, synthetic grubs and soft plastic lures. " What it does not say is "flies with synthetic parts are soft plastic lures". walk into any fly shop and over half the flies will have some synthetic materials. Unless a lure is sold as a synthetic worm ,grub or lure it does not meet the standards of (B). -
Missouri rules prohibit rubber and vinyl in flies.
tjm replied to bkbying89's topic in General Flyfishing Topics
I think he was checking for corn etc on the fly, but, but he did check and I saw him write a ticket to some guy that was squirting scent on his fly. Aren't you the guy that says they should do more? -
6 bed rooms & 10 baths ... And no deer. But if 9 people reside there & each gets 5 tags = 45 tags, no problem with that, they pay a lot of taxes on $8million house; and all city apartment dwellers should get one tag for each story above grade that they live too. Through their landlords they are paying real estate taxes. Taxes have nothing to with wildlife management, what the heck. Safer Driving with zero deer!! ed: my point was many lots that size are primarily residences with no positive affect on conservation.
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Regardless of how many (deer, trout, elephants) you can kill on 5A , a 5A piece with 1/2A house and 4A of 3" high fescue lawn is not producing or feeding any deer or other wild life. The landowner tags were meant to encourage and reward landowners to allow wildlife to flourish by land management. from that stand point , very small holdings contribute very very little or none. 40A or more has significant probability of producing or maintaining some wildlife. I would expect many 5A landowners either filled the tags (this can total many tags when each person who lives at that 5A gets 6-8 tags per year, at one time my household was eligible for ~30 tags total) down the road or gave them to a friend. A system that neither checks the ownership nor sees the deer is open for abuse. Years ago a 1/4 section got one (1) buck only tag and they required the Township and Range numbers fro the legal description of the land. It looks as though the MDC is trying to go back to a system that has some control and may be enforceable. The non-resident stuff kinda puts us on par with our neighbors and I don't have a problem with that- if you charge $500 to spit in your yard it is fair to charge you $500 to spit in my driveway, eh? I know it's nitpicking, but to me "private" denotes an Individual or family ownership, and I strongly suspect corporate ownership exceeds individual-family ownership. I am at odds with giving landowner tags to a corporation even though the land owned produces much wildlife. Try getting permission to use/cross corporate lands for hunting or fishing.
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For about $30 you can get a plug and play set of magnetic mount lights complete, 5 minute install. Remove and use on the farm wagon etc.
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That's not what it says here; https://dor.mo.gov/motorv/trailers.php#homemade You may have to cut or weld some thing to convince the inspection/gas station gal that it is home made but there is no requirement for parts list. Of course the county sheriff might require a bigger fee.
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Missouri rules prohibit rubber and vinyl in flies.
tjm replied to bkbying89's topic in General Flyfishing Topics
Not recently but ~20-30 years ago the RRSP guy checked flies and lures, seen it many times and he checked me once- gave me a verbal warning about using a dropper in the Park. I always thought he was wrong about the dropper, but never challenged him. -
Missouri rules prohibit rubber and vinyl in flies.
tjm replied to bkbying89's topic in General Flyfishing Topics
Crybaby fly fishers didn't want to compete with bait fishers and crybaby bait fishers didn't want to compete with fly fishers, so Uncle made rules allowing each have a safe space, then the fishers cried over possible cross dressing of baits (both as bait pretending to be fly and as flies/lures pretending to be bait); so Uncle again intervened to describe each type of bait and lure in such a way that the criers could again feel safe, and all that was Codified as not rules but laws. as to stocking more fish either trout or dinosaurs, we all know there is not enough money for that, ... -
Missouri rules prohibit rubber and vinyl in flies.
tjm replied to bkbying89's topic in General Flyfishing Topics
It does not. The definition is explicit, (3CSR 10-20.25 (B)) there is no grey area here, imo, the definition of soft plastic baits (unscented) does not include parts of a lure but refers to the whole lure. The only possible dispute I can see is if a "squirmy worm" is a synthetic worm (I have been told that it would get a ticket at RRSP). But legs. rubber skirts, antennas, shell backs, Nymph Skinz, Scud Skinz, Swannundaze, Vrib are all accepted plastic materials in fly tying, and none of them constitute a "lure". As I said, imo, you fish a Trout Magnet (or similar) just like a cone head or bead head or other small jig used in the "fly only" areas. We don't want to define all those jigs as being "not flies" or "not fly fishing", do we? Go backwards to dry fly and winged wets only requirements? I am not a fan of zones at all, keep it simple make rules that apply to all users on all waters, unless science dictates a need for "special management" on certain waters. But, since idiots out of self interest have had zones created, I will do my utmost to use them. If we as users want to set aside waters for exclusive use of fly fishers doesn't that mean fly users should be excluded from other waters as well? >>Clarification; imo, anyone using a bobber/indicator/sighter is not "fly fishing"; any one using a spin cast, spinning or casting rod and/or reel is not "fly fishing"; anyone using lures heavy enough that they pull the line rather than being pulled by the line is not "fly fishing"; any one using anything but a single action reel is not "fly fishing" - so when I enter a Mo. trout park "fly only area" I do not expect to see more than a small percentage of the anglers "fly fishing", nor even "fly rod fishing", however it is the accepted standard in Mo. and life goes on. (I suppose there are some that would say fishing from shore or a boat is not "fly fishing" and some that would require two handed rods)
