MoCarp

We need a forum fish fry and meet and greet!!!!! we have a CAG member that is from Warsaw and is the best carp cook I know some young fresh carp smoked is some fine eating! and some walleye and Crappie Fillets and some baked trout all the fixings ummmmmm, charge a small fee to be donated to charity....

some are, some are not pike are, rainbow trout and browns are not--many fish in the UK have shadowy origins which species where you refering?

“The English only fish for Common carp because they do not have anything else to fish for in their nasty polluted waters” Bollocks mate!!!! It is a myth that the English have nothing or nowhere to fish!!! Northern Pike: pike grow far bigger in the Europe than they do in the states How would you like one of these babies? Zander a UK favorite very much like our walleyes didn’t North or South Dakota stock some of these a few years ago? Here are some UK Yellow perch that any Midwesterner would love to catch! These are called bream and can be a pest and over run a lake much like our crappie can do here This is a barble—sort of like our red horse suckers here This is the mighty wells catfish—looks like a Flathead crossed with an eel The 1st one is more common size This one shows the possibilities These are called roach—if they look like you have seen these before –its because they raise them for bait minnows in the USA These are Tench these fish a tough brusers These are Eels and are said to make great wells catfish bait Even Rainbow and Brown trout just like we have in the good US of A Last nut not least, a classic Semo Strain of carp from a UK lake

gonefishin "Asian" Jumping carp so much in the news today ARE NOT COMMON CARP commons have been here a very very long time and are naturalized, commons are from Eurasia closer to transylvania than Hong Kong, the big head and silver filter feeders unlikely to bite a hook and are beyond the scope of Euro-Anglers. They are recent excapees from Arkansas fish farms. unfortunatly commons get lumped into the whole non-native frenzy/sky is falling I should note Brown Trout, Honey Bees, Asian Ring Neck Phesants are all "non native" as are most people in the state! one of the 1st stocking railcars dumping cans of young carp I guess folks swooping in after a fresh stocking of fish isn't just an issue today! old timers fishing carp

wow, looks like the Branson landing will have less prop eating gravel bars if that happens

its a myth that carp are overpopulated in most waters, if you killed every carp in Stockton lake, you would not POOF have more bass and crappie it would be nice to have MORE predator fish stocked to control numbers so we had more 20+ pounders carp do take up biomass however very very few large lakes ever come close to reaching carrying capacities as a note Pike and flathead cats are the best carp predators, followed by channel cats and largemouth bass I would love to see pike or tiger muskies put in Stockton again, seemed like the fishing was better back then

the carp "boom" started in England in the 1970's to what it is today carp where considerd too hard to catch until the advent of a hair rig around that time, a diverse fish population is available including the huge wels catfish, Zander, pike and trout are still available to average joes--but the salmon gernerally a fish for the upper classes due to who owns the stream banks the reason Carp are king today is that they get 20+ pounds and fight like heck! they have several faster growing strains than the "feral" carp we have here today new lakes or ponds are dug in England just for carp, anything could be stocked by the public choice. I have some interesting pics on the subject I need to post

no worries GF I get it ALL the Time, until I caught the carp bug and tried to learn as much as I could about them, I was just like everyone else in my attitude toward ol bugle lips

Bill,....in Waddinton NY over a Million carp anglers a summer visit to fish the St Lawrence river Internationally known for huge carp, I have a copy of an economic impact study that documents a $500k boost to the economy during 1 week! (I have a copy in PDF if any one wants it) another study is due out on Town Lake in Austin TX that shows similar impact Granted most of the business is from international fisherman, but a surprising amount are from the US I bet a guide service that bivys up on the big Mo's sand bars would be extreamly popular with Brits on Holiday in the states, I can hear it now Lewis and Clark Guide sevice for carp and big blue cats!

It is a Myth that common carp are a problem in every water they inhabit, most waters that are overpopulated with carp at the expense of gamefish are ether A) have some water quality issues that allow carp to survive and reproduce beyond the capability of predators to control them or larger predator fish get fish down and allow carp to over populate Many other fish over populate like crappie & bluegills for example Carp are not some superfish that go from egg to 5 pounder in a summer, and big fish are NOT common a 20 pounder is a rare fish. If one has carp issues, its because not enought preditors are eating them, a avg flathead can and does take carp up to at least 5 pounds, who knows what size a 50 pounder can eat!--another reason to release those larger fish. In the fishes of Missouri by William L Pflieger; “carp adults AVERAGE are from 1lbs @12” long to 8lbs @ 25 “ long. The grow rates are listed as 6.5” by the end of 12 months life, 11” at the end of 2years, 14.2” @3 years, 16.7”@ 4years 18”@ 5years.Typical weights are a 12inch carp will average 1lbs and a 21.5” will average 5 lbs Few live longer than 12 years in the wild”] Many reports of lots of 20 pound common carp usually are from big eyed reports that do not weigh the fish, ask a person who does not commonly weigh fish what the carp you caught weighs—I would bet the avg non carp angler would guess over double the actual weight of the fish selective harvest would help get more big fish Tossing them in the garden is a waste of a great resource and after decades of eradication attempts the only thing accomplished is to turn a single 20 pound carp into four 5 pound carp in the prime of reproductive efficiency--further exacerbating overpopulation issues. As far as eating carp, The trick on carp for the table is remove the skin along with the blood line, THATS where the strong fishy taste is--also eat small fish those under 6-7 pounds, many folk catch a big carp that might be 25 years old and drag it around all day and then feel guilty to waste fish and clean it for the table, and wonder why it tastes bad!

Carp History “The Carp is the queen of rivers; a stately, a good, and a very subtil fish; that was not at first bred, nor hath been long in England, but is now naturalized”. Izaak Walton, The Compleat Angler, Common carp (Cyprinus carpio L) is one of the oldest cultured and most domesticated fish in the world. References can be found to its appearance in Europe during the Hellenic and Roman Empires mention is made to the keeping and storing of common carp as a particularly favorite dish By roman aristocrats Its is thought that carp where brought to Britain in the first century. Where in medieval times, monks kept Carp in "stew" ponds for their own consumption. During the term of president Ulysses S. Grant (1877) U.S. Fisheries Commission receives 345 adult carp as brood stock from Germany. Carp fingerlings from the original adults were distributed to 38 states in the fall of 1879 including Missouri. For the next 15 years, the Missouri Fish Commission raised 80,000 carp for distribution for stocking purposes in Missouri waters. Missouri's first official fisheries action occurred in 1878, when the first State Fish Commissioner, Col. John Reid, was appointed. 1879 the Missouri Fish Commission was formed when two additional commissioners were appointed. At that time, the primary function of the Fish Commission was to oversee the distribution of carp received from federal hatcheries and the construction of Missouri's first state hatcheries. In 1882, the Fish Commission obtained the first Missouri Fish Car, a specially outfitted, used railroad car. Between 1880 and 1887, the Commission stocked their first fish. Around 1890, the Missouri Legislature enacted two of Missouri’s first fishing regulations. One banned gillnetting and seining during the month of April, and the other required that no person be allowed to prevent the free passage of fish in Missouri Rivers and streams. In 1895, Fish Commissioner J.T. Crisp wrote: "Let it be known and appreciated that if we would have our glorious rivers and streams and creeks swarm once more, as in the earlier days. That planting (fish stocking) and protection must go hand in hand." Commissioner Crisp also lamented the woes caused by the "trammel-netters and dynamiters." Around late 1890’s, about 20 years after the first federal stockings, Common Carp started to have a negative public view. Carp were a fish intended for the masses to provide sport and food from our depleted waters. Why did the reputation change in the USA, while carp remained popular in Europe? Reputations are shaped by public views-- just as the Carp’s reputation was shaped by events 125 years ago in the USA, then why was the carp not despised in the UK or Europe? It is a myth that Europeans do not have anything else to catch or have few places to fish, Northern Pike, many trout species (even our own rainbows and brookies)--Zander--"a walleye like fish"—even a mega Predator called the Wels Catfish, are available to fisherman, but Carp are still king by a wide margin with millions spent across the EU each year on carp gear. Why? Carp in North America became a metaphor for being poor. With the advent of powered boats and trawl nets around 1900, a more bony carp were supplanted as a commercially viable fish with more marketable near shore saltwater species Carp introductions were not meant as a federal institutionalization of fish farming per say but more like the British planting of breadfruit trees as a cheap food source for slave populations of the Caribbean. Or like the potato in Ireland. These were foods the wealthy considered low class. Growing animosity developed after the civil war toward African Americans & European immigrants. Naturally, any low income population subsists to some degree on hunted and gathered food sources to supplement more modern ways of working and earning wages to put food on the table. We see that still today. Hunger was an issue in post civil war south and its boarder states--the complete dismantling of the old south plantation cotton economy and the poor food crop production from played out old cotton fields, and hundreds of Thousands of men never came back to the family farms. It took many decades before the average person was living as well as they did pre-civil war. In the USA stocking Carp was intended to supplement traditional food fishes as a sustainable food source in many lakes & streams to augment fish stocks. At the time of the first carp stockings many states did not like the idea of the federal government telling them what to do—the confederate civil war veterans, most who would have been in their late 30’s to early 50’s with all the resentments of reconstruction, many viewed the carp as carpet bagger’s or immigrant’s fish with all the distain that comes with associated politics. Similarly in the northeast a flood of immigration from Eastern Europe where carp had been part of the diet for centuries, were quickly utilized by newly American. In many ways public opinion on immigration today mirror those at the turn of the century. Carp where meant as an abundant food possibility--that could be harvested with no more than a trot line an a bit of cotton seed cake--- a rational way to catch carp in southern rivers--many an African American or European immigrant family ate carp, and why not? Considering how little cost was involved and the poundage of quality protein that would feed the large families at that time. Unwanted items, became "poor mans fodder" chitins, fat-back, possum, coon & carp were plentiful and cheap---Any family that ate them at least in the pubic eye were unsophisticated poor. Back then you fished to catch and eat--and if your a middle class man and caught some carp the proper thing was to give them to “that poor family down the street” a still pervasive attitude even today. Common carp quickly became considered a "poor mans fish" that’s was given to the states as a means to feed the poor minorities and immigrants. That along with the ability of the carp to out compete bass, trout & catfish in polluted aquatic environments, became an uncomfortable metaphor it’s not surprising how the view of carp developed the way that it did. Even government eradication of common carp came into vogue, It can be argued in many ways parallel to the native Indian pacification a decade or so earlier, where hunters were hired to kill buffalo, thus eliminating the ability of some Indian tribes to subsist without help. Early on The German Brown Trout also had a negative public reputation, but seemed to weather the negativity, were as the carp elsewhere did not--possibly because the numbers of browns where not as wide spread as carp--and as trout were not a major food source for those who subsisted to some degree on wild caught foods in areas where they where stocked. Today trout fishing in most areas of the USA if not the world are demographically upscale " meaning trout fisherman on the average have a higher income level " just look at an Orvis catalog and you can see what I mean. One reason browns never sank to the level of hate as the carp. A proper game fish for wealthy Victorians was trout and the early rise of sport fishing was about the fly and the fish that could be caught on a fly. Then later-in the south’s warm waters--the bass--which was the southern equivalent –in fact southern old timers called largemouth bass "green trout" and the fish where much less available and rarer than carp at that time, remember this is before many large man made lakes that where built after 1930 many streams and rivers were nothing more than sewers. The boom years of lake building 1950---1975 where almost billion surface acres of new largemouth and also carp habitat where constructed which coincided with the exploding sport fishing movement aided by the advent of spinning reels with monofilament fishing line. Up until post WW2 early sport fishing gear was generally expensive. Only now in the history of fishing in the United States has an atmosphere of fishing just for the thrill of the fight has become the dominant public view. In the past you fished to eat, not for the sport, that idea became popular with turn of the century era President and avid sportsman Teddy Roosevelt, who was keen to enjoy the outdoors this was well written about in the press and generated much interest in search of sport. He so loved the outdoors he established many National parks so treasured today. As you mature as an angler eventually the logic of why you fish kicks in with years of personal catch experience, most have memories of a carp giving the fight of a lifetime with many long drag smoking runs, usually followed by the disappointment that it’s a carp, not a world record bass or trout! Further adding to the dislike of common carp. Carp pull harder and longer than anything in fresh water, reach a size rarely attained by a bass or trout…isn’t that the point of fishing? Give it a try sometime see what you have been missing

I can put you on some BIG carp and you can fish from the seat of your truck--some trout too but I will guarantee the boys much more fun on the carp, a few pics of the boys smiling with a big fish!!! priceless!!! PM me if interested Cheers Mo

Next time you see it clic it up! they pay about 50 cent a pop or more for those pay per clics burn up their money!!!!!!! Cheers Mo PS fishing does hurt..my knees --back...feet...wallet...

yep it was fun--Jim I caught 3 after you left-- one about 12# and a couple of 7#ers all on snoman rigged BCUK bloodworm boilies close in, and another group came down to carp fish but they didn't stay long --never turned on the water--so I left at 2am Cheers Mo

I look at it this way, if it give folks an unfair advantage, and the goal is to create and maintain a quality fishery--then its no worse that haveing a flys only area--so IMHO in the trophy area no shuffling--so can it be Enforced? Prolly not--just not cool to do it---kinda like a cooler full of fish that never gets eaten--bummer and a shame--not cool-- does it damage habitat?--only a study would say for sure-- my 2pence Mo

Thanks!

Looking for some bank access, far enought down try try some euro carping with bait, any sugestions? and does any of you trouters see many BIG carp in this stretch? Thanks Mo

welcome!

This is a quick over view of what is used to catch carp by euro anglers, it should be noted that SOME of these ideas and tackle can be used on bass or steelhead gear This is a rod pod where rods rest, with the line running through a bite alarm that beeps when the line moves out or toward you. The alarms are adjustable for sensitivity, beep tone, and loudness so you can tell which rod has a bite plus a light that comes on when a take is detected--the little light feature is very handy at night Reels are have a bait runner feature--basically a second drag that lets line come off the reel under tension with the bail closed--baitrunner tension is adjustable--it is engaged with a lever in the back and disengages when you start reeling. Rods are usually long from 9-13 feet powerful butt sections to cast distance and soft tips for playing big fish close without hooks pulling out The rigging is called a hair rig/bolt rig this is how they are tied a baiting needle is used to pierce a bait –in this case a boilie-but corn or many other semi hard baits can be used this way Then the back of the hair is draw through the bait then the bait is snugged up on a stop some tools and examples Fish can take the bait without feeling the hook before its too late---it also is less likely for the fish to be gut hooked with this set up. They do not feel the hook until the bait part is swallowed then as they feel the hook the fish try’s to expel it and is stung by the hook--one of the reasons the hair is tied the way it is--to have the hook turn in as it is expelled, the fish “bolts off” and hits the fixed lead , driving the hook home!!! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz fish on One of the best tricks is to use PVA ( poly vinyl alcohol)--they make webbing and bags just for fishing-- -which dissolves in water— Chum is put in pva and it is tossed out with your hook bait to draw fish in and keep them feeding Sometimes when bites are faster chum is squeezed around a special sinker called a method feeder With fish that can be huge a big net is a must light weight, these euro nets can be used with 1 hand--the net itself has no crossbar just two arms that are usually at least 40" long, fish slide over the bar less lip of the net & then lifted vertically as the net was not designed to lift fish horizontal like traditional nets Fish after netting are usually placed on a padded mat--for 3 reasons-- 1) to protect the fish 2) to calm the fish, they flip around less on a mat 3) many mats double as a weighing sling just loop the handle in the hook of the scale and subtract the weight of the mat--many times big fish are damaged putting the hook of the scale in a fishes gills Chasing that biggest carp in the lake may take a few days--so in Europe they camp right on the water in fishing tents called bivys One of the backbones of euro style fishing--is chumming--since you do not have the luxury of moving around looking for feeding fish--chumming is used to bring fish in and keep them in the area feeding Here is a catapult spods tied to the line and cast out--the nose floats and the bait falls out--better when the fish are at distance Remote control bait boat--chum is placed in the center dropper hopper piloted out to place the chum bed As you can see the whole bank fishing thing is as sophisticated as you want to make it-- Euro fishing offers a challenge to even the most hard core angler-- Many anglers may look down their noses at carp, if you try it a few times you will quickly get addicted to the powerful runs carp are known for. Few fish can rival even a 10 pound common carp for line stripping run after line stripping run--you can just imagine the fight of a fish of 20 pounds! Eating smaller carp is an option, doing so may even help a lake produce bigger carp, but releasing the biggest ones to catch again -- many times you will recatch the same big fish again and again over several years--usually a little bigger each time So where to get this kind all this kind of gear? lots of Euro stuff can be bought at Bass Pro & Cabelas—Big Carp Tackle, http://www.wackerbaits.com/ http://www.americancarpsociety.com:8080/ACS/home.jsp http://www.royalcarp.com/Scripts/default.asp

sounds like you had fun, and 10-4 on that gas price biting into fishing time :ph34r: Cheers Mo

I have been twice to lake o the woods, --great place love the pike and 'ski fishing and awsome smallmouth bass--never done that well on walleyes but whopper yellow perch and crappie" that whats worth eating! any ways for pike try this- 1 oz tail spinners buzzed like a bass spinnerbait--also a size 5 white mepps but replace the tiny treble with a dressed musky treble thats 3 sises bigger--you can slow buzz it and the pike and 'skis are all over it also lake trout--next trip I need to try for those--does anyone know if any brook trout fishing is close to the eastern half of the lake of the woods Kenora area? Mo

Here are the final results for the 2006 CAGI Missouri venue Our event was held Saturday June 24th from 9pm to 7am Sunday, June 25th on Bull Shoals Lake at Forsyth Missouri this was a night fishing event Total number of fish caught 112 Total weight of all fish 858.75 lbs Largest fish caught 14.5 lbs Harold Brown Largest total weight 143.25 lbs David Moore Top 4 fish 43.25 lbs Harold Brown David Moore 20, 143.25 lbs winner 8.0 Harold Brown 19, 139.5 lbs 14.5 Jerry Zielinsky 16, 131 lbs 11.5 Doug Reed 16, 120.5 lbs 13.1 Bert Cox 14, 113.25 lbs 13.9

to chime in here--to be openly confrontational to obvious law breakers could be dangerous--a reason MDC COs carry a gun! just observe write down a tag number--

I live in an area where the hispanic population went from non-exsistant to 30% in 10 years most --KNOW the rules, infact some even hand the kids a pop can with some line and a hook so they can keep an extra limit--we see it ALL the time--enforcement won't work they just don't pay or don't come to court-- but some states like Kansas confiscates gear THAT does work--its about econonomics--live here as cheap as possable--move back after a few years and live off the money like a king--I have seen some fishing spots on the Elk River turned into AQUATIC WASTE LANDS because of the abuse--until this illegal immigration thing is fixed you will see more and more of it.. :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

boy you got that right, the lake is clear..but I have seen more color than in years past Mo