MoCarp

Bill I know a couple guys that fish beaver, it still kind of untapped, I do have a friend near you than I could hook you up with, he prob has a spot or two picked out, Pm me Ill get you hooked up, baiting up a spot or two always helps, a 5 gal bucket of boiled corn a couple of times and kids can have a blast!, warning though its very addictive! I totally agree! I bet that fish would be lucky to break 1/2 that!!!

Famous last words....perhaps a challenge is in the works

I would be interested in anyplace that has bigger carp, most people that have pointed me at huge carp waters the fish are about 1/2 size as advertised it takes a fish from 32" to 40" to break 20# depending on how porky they are built Below are pics of a 20# and 21-4 taken by a woman from our group recently in AZ, the carp on the stringer is from a newspaper that says its 30 pounds 3' long the last is a friend and youtuber Brian Wingard with a 37-8 Waters that have numbers of huge fish are not as common as most people think, it would be a worthy goal to quanify trophy fish of any species EX.are 8# bass common? where in Missouri can you realistically expect to catch one that big? http://www.newarkadvocate.com/story/sports/local/2015/05/27/local-man-catches-pound-carp-buckeye-lake/27946105/

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That sir is true on so many things, take a greenhorn city boy out to do anything outdoors and it can be a laugher, give me someone that grew up with mud between there toes and skeeter bites on there arms and they catch on way faster perhaps a 100 years of stabbing has made the easy fish genes gone by by...same could be said on fish dummies that jump on anything with a hook don't get to pass on their genes.....unless its supplemented by stocking...food for thought

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these where the bomb for monster smallmouths back in the day

but trophy carp are not wide spread, once carp are targeted in say large scale stabbing events, it has been documented sizes crash, which has a number of possible impacts which have been addressed in other threads here many beloved managed non-natives have millions spent on them here, Brown Trout, ringneck pheasants, and west of the rockies Largemouth bass are examples, each have been directly responsible for displacement/extinction of other "native" species, common carp have been here 140 years..let me say that again 140 YEARS we stocked them on purpose because man over harvested and polluted many waters and the carp was seen as a replacement for native food fishes. the common carp is held in high esteem in the rest of the world, and there are resources being spent on management for trophy fisheries here in the states, I am blessed to help in research to that end, I know many people don't want fisheries dollars spent on anything but what they want, many on this board hate the dollars spent on paddle fish, and many in other areas hate moneys spent on alligator gar. Others on the very forum have said "that they are worried if people buy into my BS, that carp will get managed like gamefish at the expense of fish like bass and trout"...It has been debated on other threads on this forum on the connection with great trophy carp angling with great trophy gamefish in the same waters. and that over harvesting common carp and buffalo can have a negative impact on high quality forage they helps support trophy gamefish populations like LMB. I understand the animosity of people who love stabbing mass quantities, but even if we see limitations on numbers and sizes of common carp/buffalo, there still will be places , many places to go fish stabbing, this is not a "domino effect" situation or zero sum so to speak, look at Taney as an example, it has trophy areas and meat fisherman areas. in closing you should try euro-fishing sometime and experience it 1st hand, its hard to go back to other fishing when the smallest fish you catch is far bigger than biggest you catch fishing for most everything else, I still love wading streams for SMB, and going after huge sunfish, and plugging for trophy browns and walleyes, but I made a spot in my angling for euro carping like many others Cheers, Mo

many people look at common carp fishing as not worthy and only people who have no skill or other opportunities to fish for other more traditional quarry, chose to fish for them. There are more anglers who fish for commons than fish for Muskie in the USA, and world wide, common carp fishing is #1 by a very wide margin as far as legal rules/regulations those change to meet fishermen wants: EX. trophy trout areas, catch and release waters, or slot limits to help promote more trophy chances. and just because its legal doesn't mean it will always be that way, and who would have thought Alligator gar would be raised in hatcheries? I started this thread to show some well known anglers enjoy fishing for trophy common carp, releasing them to fight again another day (hopefully a lot bigger) the issue is many former trophy carp waters have been devastated and new regulations have been created to maintain places like LBL lake in Austin Texas, and new regulations for the Connecticut river back east. Cheers, Mo

sometimes I have wished for a big blow on Stockton to run pleasure boat people back to TR

I miss the days when people had pay ponds around here usually a honor box at a gate, some of my fondest memories of my early adult hood had been fishing some of them, for whatever reason people stopped having pay ponds one that was VERY good was just east of joplin, lots of people fished it and it was well stocked, banks mowed a great place to take kids to fish, I remember the day the owner told me he was shutting it down soon because of insurance reasons, that place had produced LMB over 103 and the best string of bass I ever caught came out of there. We lost a great fishing hole,. several east of Carthage have long since shut down, we do have some places that have gotten better the MDC has done some good work north hear Mindenmines and some of the small managed areas, The feds have filled many a strip pit closing some dandy fishing spots, and are dragging their feet with the project near webbcity high school,

I know of 3 being started, one in Kansas, one near Austin,Texas and one in California its only be possible as there is a carp operation here in the US that has the fish, with the "right" genes Dinks / leeney bloodlines we have always had "paylakes" mostly fishing gambling IMHO only know of one pay lake near St Joe thats even close, they have had issues getting fish, one reason the price keeps going up

an up and coming US carp destination is dale hollow in TN, huge mirror carp are more common there are rarity here in the states. We also have a spot here in the Ozarks but with all the Bfing no-one will say much or it gets shot out, trophy fisheries are fragile that way, look at TR many a huge bass used to come out of the lake why that changed, who knows.

we have some interesting things here in the Ozarks, have had a few people talk about floating and fishing for carp/suckers redress, I get asked about the spook light all the time

That is/was an advertising agency I owned before my injury, also talking to a few people about a national carp show, I am too fat and old to be in front of any camera though, we have people at the big carp shows across the pond ATM I say "we" the american carp community is pretty tight knit

I really want to fish in NJ pine barrens, they have some great chain pike fishing there as well, as I get my health back may do a bit of "gypsy" fishing around the country lots of places to go and people to fish with, I did an interview for CAM with Kevin Morlock famous beaver island fly fisherman ..I need to follow up on his flies he uses before I write that article, also Lake Oahe one of the giant Missouri River reservoirs is on my short list

a "bigfoot" fishing expediton is planned in our area for 2018

wrote it and yes

If that is the case, a well run UK style carp syndicate would be a $ maker, it would take legwork to buy large carp to stock (over 20#) but carp are harvested or removed from upper midwest lakes every winter, last time I checked a 20# common carp goes for $60 deliverd live to NC.SC/WV Paylakes, if you had just 1 fish over 50 you could make big bucks! take about 5 years to get a mid 30 up to the 50 pound class, that was what the KC Brit was looking for...the dynamics of a well run syndicate is a cottage industry...whats funny is that those fish get extremely hard to catch, people pay money to go a week lucky to get 2 or 3 bites, if one was near the greater Branson area, the bivvy sites would be busy year round once it "takes" here in the states that price will be out of control like overseas we can get UK bloodline fish here in the states, but they are pricy getting fish to 80# might take 8-9 years with the right genetics and feeding...a fish that big or bigger would make a man rich

February edition of Carp Anglers Magazine CAM, check it out!!! even have a lead in

there are a few big private lakes, but your talking millions to buy or build

just have to look, many people want them, but few can afford $150k for a private honey hole, and fewer can have a job in our area that allows you to live on said property....another place with pits is near Butler/Appleton City near Montrose....back in the 80's you could by lake lots on TR for $3500. I found 3 for sale for a brit I know who lives in KC, from 120k to 170k, ......hard part is having the money because most banks won't loan on those kinds of places, that keeps the prices down...I could go on but I am sure a quick google you will see the same

in other parts of the country live 'shad" contaminated by silver carp can move fish in to new waters, many people do not have the skill set to tell fish apart, much less something as close as young silvers vs shad, some states ban the use of cast nets...signage and education could help

this is a thread from earlier that touched on this subject