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Phil and his partner Brian Vaughn won the AIA yesterday in horrible weather conditions. Fishing the Lower James and Mid section White River they caught their fish on a swim bait and a jig. producing a bag of over 21 pounds that included two whopping 6 pounders. The 97 team event paid the winners nearly $11,000.00 which included a check from the Phoenix First Flight Program for $7000.00 with Phil driving his 2019 Phoenix. In second place were long time friends and clients Don and Dustin Gossett of Shell Knob that bagged nearly 20 pounds of Table Rock Bass. Their 2nd, place bag included 2 hefty 5 lb. lLM. Congrats to all that braved that cold windy, rainy day.
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Diamond City has 3 or 4 fishermen type resorts just above the corp park get on line and you can find them. Also a couple of decent Mom and Pop restaurants in town. Just looked it up and there are 5 resorts and a boat load of other options including VRBO's and some really nice other places. Your budget will be the only decision as all that lodging is within minutes of the ramp. Good Luck in your Derby
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Would it be possible to ban PanOptics in tournaments .. I know at one time both Central Pro Am and the Old Heartland series banned Clear View underwater cameras prior to and during tournaments by participants. I would think Central still bans them. Kind of takes the term fishing out of the picture. You do have to make them bite and they do refuse it as much as take it but it is a fish finding tool that really puts the A-rig to shame. I can see some type of this coming, just like it did with the Rig.
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Took Ron to Shell Knob Tuesday 3/10/20
Bill Babler replied to Steve McBasser's topic in Table Rock Lake
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Dock you have just been scary good. Congrats
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I"m reaching back here but when we had our Marina/Resort on Lake of the Ozarks in the 60's and 70's we received our bait from a hatchery in Warsaw. Prior to them putting the bait in the tanks they always took thermometer reading and then tempered the bait to the temperature in our minnow tank. We had a 20' by 4' tank with 5 compartments for different size minnows and crayfish. It was always a big deal when they delivered bait and they took extreme care with it When we first started in 1962 you could get 5 dozen nice size crappie minnows for one dollar. I can remember as a 6/7 year old that was my job and I'm sure I cost mom money as I very seldom counted them. The crayfish lived in a separate wire basket with a wood ramp and a little deck they could crawl out on. We fed them the dead minnows. I was scared as heck of them and would make the adult customers pick out their own. Even back in those days Big Shiners and Gold Fish were a buck a dozen. We counted those close and there was no Bakers Dozen. I can also remember we had some type of water dogs or salamanders for several years, but I think they had to stop selling them. If I remember correctly I believe they were a Quarter each. My mom caught some huge flatheads on her trotline on those water lizards.
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Fantastic day Rod, glad you all got on em. Thanks for the report.
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Yes, Shane said it is a change in pockets of water temp. An entire school can swim thru water that is 4 degree warmer or cooler and that is what causes the kill. He said pockets of different temperature water and its immediate.
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Hate it when that happens. Years ago Tim Hughes gave me a custom made custom painted Bonger Spook in Norman Flake. 1st cast it sailed so far up in the woods I would have needed a deforestation to find it. Broke my Heart. I was to embarrassed at the time to ask for a replacement
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That is not what was in Panther last week when I went in. Great Job.
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I just texted Shane Bush our Biologist and will convey his response.
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As you all know I have been on the water most all day everyday for the past two weeks. If your not seeing dying shad in Kimberling, your not looking. Every stop there on Saturday we had shad dying at depths of on top to 6 or 8 ft. You could see them going thru their dying throws. The death total in the James is much heaver especially Aunts Creek, so i'm expanding the area from point 14 on the James to point 5 on the White. Even though Aunts Creek is by far the worst that I have seen and I have not been above point 9 on the White but I will the next 3 days, the fish are biting in Aunts Creek in the middle of the shad kill. There is at least a 5 banks in Aunts that I am now driving from KC to fish cause I'm going to get bit on all of them. When the early flurry as Dock talks about ends I have been turning the corner and heading up to Aunts for at least a couple of late morning hours of really pretty good fishing. "A-rig." I have also been fishing Eagle Rock to about Rock Creek and have seen several dying shad not many, but a few and in this number that's a good thing for sure. Have not been below Rock Creek to point 9 or up the Kings but did hear there was a kill in some of the big creeks around Shell Knob and the backs of those creeks had White Bass, some hitting dying shad on the surface. Rain got me today, but I'll be back out the rest of the week rain or shine. Not bothering some as boats are just flying by the lodge this morning. Thanks all for the imput on the underspin.
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Dock it, I have a question for you and anyone on the board can also respond. I"m talking about the single or underspin or what ever you want to call it. Myself, my clients and when Bill was alive he and his clients fished it for I'm going to say 1,000's of hours. Neither Bill nor myself ever found it caught more than the straight swim bait on the ball jig head. We both would alternate it with our clients and a plain ball head. It never seemed to win to the point that I could warrant paying more for it. I at times depending on the client if they were good fishermen and repeats just out fishing for the day would fish against them using an underspin with them using a ball head. Never made much difference. Only difference that fishing an type of swim bait makes it getting it to the level of the fish and keeping it in the strike zone as long as possible. Long casts and maintaining the correct depth with the SB is the key for either the ball head or the underspin. My long winded question is do you feel the under spin out preforms a ball head or do you just like throwing the spinner on it. Thanks I'll listen off the air.
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Steve is sleeping in this morning. We’ll check the Long Creek stick bait fish at noon.
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He said I front- ended him all morning. Sheer Disrespect for his elders 😆
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Yes, as it’s a BC function lots of us would not be in on it. Ask right now for Buster Loving. If he has openings he is head and shoulders ahead of the others
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Kimberling City at 6 am this morning was a very chilly 29 degree on the Avalanche thermo. Son Steve and I fished the floater for several hours and we caught 8 solid keeps on the floater. Biggest was a 3.88 LM followed by a 3.65 LM and then a 3.12 jaw and 2 fat K's both at 2.95 rounded out our 11 fish morning, all keeps. That puts the best 5 at 16.55 and thats a good day for us. 8 on the floater, 1 on a plus 2 in TR sp, one on a A-rig and one on a swimbait. Both of us nearly froze to death. Got off the water by noon and I'm still cold. Good Luck
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James, surface temps around Long Creek this afternoon were in the 51 to 52 range. Did see one bank with 52.9 but never 53. We fished from 2:30 to 4:30 and caught 11 with 7 keepers. No LM but K's and Jaws. Steven caught this on a megabass Table Rock SP Plus 2. I had one durn near jerk the rod out of my hand. As a matter of fact it did and rattled around the foot peddle of the trolling motor and banged on the motor but I grabbed the sucker before it got wet. Fish was still on it, a 2.35 K and we caught several that identical wt. I used a Tim Hughes Custom painted megabass pearl/orange belly in plus 1. Both baits were weighted and we paused probably 15 to 20. Boat sitting in 30 to 40 on chunk to gravel transition. We thought the fish were in that 20' range suspended about 10' to 15' down, you could see them on the Lowrance. Strikes were not dish rag today, they hammered it but most all the fish we caught in Long Creek were gal's Good Luck
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Those paint jobs are beautiful. I'd snap at it too.
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Yes I am, I love it when they just bend out. Good Old Eagle Claw.
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Son should be here by 2 pm today so we are going out from Ole 86 for a bit this afternoon. Be interesting to see surface temps here and if the juvenile males are making their move on this end as well as the water warms in the sun. I think this is a mid day deal or later as the water warms. I bet ya when that sun goes down they skiddle back to depth at night and just don't move up till at least 11 am or so. Lake is totally packed with boats and they were running before daylight. We will hit it in the morning at daylight or a little before around Baxter and see if they want a floater if the wind isn't blowing. I would have went this morning but it was to gusty to throw it and decided to wait for the boy and help mom around the lodge a bit.
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Current Fishing Report KImberling City, Mo. 3-3-20 White River Outfitters Guide Service Can you see the Mr. Crappie Float? I have tried and I have tried, I have put in more than enough time from point 2 to point 5 and I just cannot get it to happen. I guess you can call it fishing, cause you sure can't call it catching. I can scratch a few out of pre-mo locations, but that is totally that. Those fish are just not where I can get at them or they just don't like my junk, and I'm thinking that's a big part of it. I'm sure its a matter of time till my old tricks work again down here, but for now they are thinking most of my lures have been in a Kitty Litter Box and not a tackle box. Man that was a dark one. UPDATE: Kimberling City this morning and wouldn't you know there are fish in the lake, that want to snap. I fished a float-n-fly off bluffends from 6:30 till 9:00 then, the wind started I had 15 solid keepers with a 4 lb. largemouth anchoring the string prior to the wind event. Lots of really nice 2.25 lb. jaws, and enough K's to keep you setting the hook. Ouch, that's sticky I moved around quite a bit and caught them on every end I tried. Spro Fat Fly set at 14 ft. below the float using 6lb. Invisx. Boat in 40 ft. to 70 ft. Fish suspended in the 20 ft. to 30' range and they would come up and eat it. Young One's like it too I fished some straight wall bluffs with pole timber and they were not on it on the fly but if you sat off a way you could swim a Keitech after counting it down to 30 and catch some nice K's Trouble is you will lose some baits, depends on how bad you want to catch Most catches are top lip. If their mouth is big sometimes it goes a little deeper, especially if the fisherman is sleeping. Lot's of really nice Jaw's were after the floater. And, some K's too. Wind started howling at 9 and I couldn't catch any more float fish as it will not work in the wind very well, but I continued for another hour to catch some swim bait fish. Tried the jerker but got the same response that I have been getting, they no likey. Good Luck
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White River Outfitters Guide Service Let's face it, there are lots of ways to catch fish on Table Rock that don't involve getting snarled up or having a Master Fly Caster's certification. In Springtime is there a better way to catch big fish other than fishing a barbed wire contraption that's named after a Southern state. Probably not, with one exception, the Float n Fly. The Table Rock Lake, Float-n-Fly history goes back to a guide by the name of Bill Richey. Bill went to Dale Hollow Lake one early Spring and they fished the fly and had really good success. A light switch went on and he thought that will work on the Rock big time. Bill introduced both Bill Beck and myself the the technique and we kind of took off with it winning multiple tournaments and guiding clients to the biggest bass of their life with it. I caught my personal best Table Rock Bass on the fly, at 10.1 pound. Bill caught 2 over the 10 pound mark and also had a 12 year old girl, catch a 10.3 on it. My biggest on a guide trip was a whopping 8.3 pound a client caught about 6 yrs. ago. The Float n Fly works between late January and May if lake conditions are correct. We have not had a good year for it for the last 4 or 5 yrs. Good year is clear water, pool between 914 and 917 and if possible small shad die off. This is the perfect year as they are just inhaling it. I hit 3 different bluff ends today after guys fished A-rigs on them and caught keepers right behind them, no problem. Fishing a Float n Fly is a bit like a Ned in that it is pretty slow fished, but a better analogy is you fish it as if your were flipping a jig in a bush. Cast it out and let the fly settle, bounce it or jig it several times and then rinse and repeat. Both Bill and I bought specialized equipment for the technique. We both bought St. Croix rods that were 9' as they are tournament legal in most derby's. Some do not have length specifications and you may use any length rod you wish. i prefer a 10' to 12' rod. Any good large arbor spinning reel, at least 3500 series works great. Spool the reel with the 10 lb. braid, you select brand, it don't matter. I like white or hivis yellow. Just like a fly line you can see it and tell if you have to much slack. You need a Mr. Crappie high Vis float and a 3 way swivel. I use a Spro 3 way. First you attach your swivel to the float then you put your braid on one arm of the 3 way. I use a palamar and pull it super tight. Then for your leader you want to use carbon as it sinks. Bill Beck used 4lb. but I think 4, 6, or on the outside 8 works OK. 8 is easier to cast. At this point attach the carbon with a improved clinch with at least 6 wraps. I'm using 14' of depth right now as these fish are suspended deep, as deep as 30' and they will still come up for it. There are a ton of companies making Float n Fly jigs/flies. The best by far not even close is the Spro Phat Fly in 1/16th. in blue or shad. My favorite is the blue. It has a super sticky Gamakatsu size 1 nickle hook that you need to be careful of. There are a couple of things you now need to do. First you need to trim the fly back a bit. Yes its looks like a waving tail would be better but its not. Trim the fly. Attach the fly to your carbon leader with a 6 twist improved clinch and put the knot at the rear of the eye so the fly rides level, cinch the knot tight and it will stay at the back till you get bit. There you have the basic FF rig. Correct posture for the fly. Incorrect posture for the fly. After you have it attached use gulp or some type of attractant on the fly, you can pretty much just sop up the tail with it and that great. Casting and retrieving and fishing the rig needs some explaining. With 14' of leader below the float it takes a while to get proficient. First this rig is light, so you are casting or lobbing the float, the fly and line just follow, somewhat like a fly cast. Pull out at least 3' of braid to the float, dangling your leader and fly in the water as far as you can reach out with a 10' to 12' rod. Length really Really helps. Back cast the float and watch your back cast, when your fly hits the water, lob it forward at height and it will shoot right out there after a little practice. If your a fly fisherman no problem, Phil lilley was casting it better than me in about 5 minutes. The trick is watching your back cast making sure the fly is completely behind you prior to coming forward. Easy Peasy. When the fly hits the water it takes a few seconds for that to sink. Wait about a minute and then jig it several times and repeat. If nothing raise your rod tip as high as you can reach and them smoke it in as fast as you can turn the reel handle. Reason, You cannot slowly reel 14' of 4 or 6 pound test leader thru pole timber, cannot be done. Reel in fast and the fly will come to the surface following the float and rethrow to a new location. Strikes can be very easy or the float is just gone. Sometimes it starts walking, just like crappie under a float. When setting the hook set to 12 o'clock, this is a lift and not a snap or you will break that light line keep your rod very steady in that straight up attitude, allowing the rod to absorb the shock of the fish. Keep a big bend and if you need to use the trolling motor to pull the fish out of the pole timber to deep water, making sure previous to fishing that your drag is very loose. The better the reel the better the drag. Float n fly does not work well in wind or choppy water, it is best as a smooth water technique. It's hard to keep slack out of your line and for some reason the fish don't like the constant action of the chop. Go figure Location, most any bluff end or runnout pole timbered fast drop point I usually make a dozen cast per location and if nada, hit the road. At times they will get on the bluff walls in the small cuts and pole timbered pockets, where ever fish stage Pre or Post spawn. Table Rock, Bull Shoals, Beaver or any of the White River Lakes it will catch them between now and May. Watch your electronics, if I see suspended fish in the 10 to 30 foot range off those points they will eat it. Don't be intimidated by it and you will catch your biggest bass, maybe of a lifetime right here on the Rock Good luck
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One of the earlier bites up the white river. Thought I was going to get into good fish and then the Buck event happened. Had a late start as Becky is full and it was pancake day and I helped serve. Hit the water at the Eagle Rock ramp at 11 am. Surface temps at 50 degree and 2 footers even up there on that skinny water. I had dedicated the day to the Jerk bait and was only gong to throw it and nothing else no matter what. First 3 locations 5 nice keepers between the ramp and Devil's Dive and then that was that. Headed up to the mouth of Panther and fished the deep channel bank. Surface temps at 1pm in the creek were 54 and it was full of bass. All bucks and were a total pain the the hand.; From Rock Creek to Eagle Rock every cut and every cove mouth had tons of LM and K buck males all over them. Very seldom have I ever said fish are not worth catching, but today was that day. These bucks that probably averaged 12" were skinny and the bite was just like you were hooked into a dish rag. They came to the boat like a 10" walleye and then wiggled and flopped like crazy when you tried to get those vicious treble hooks out of them. The crappie I caught could have kicked the tail of 90 percent of the small bucks that were in a hurry to get to the bank this afternoon. I quit at 3 pm and they were still hooking themselves on the megabass.
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One of the earlier bites up the white river. Thought I was going to get into good fish and then the Buck event happened. Had a late start as Becky is full and it was pancake day and I helped serve. Hit the water at the Eagle Rock ramp at 11 am. Surface temps at 50 degree and 2 footers even up there on that skinny water. I had dedicated the day to the Jerk bait and was only gong to throw it and nothing else no matter what. First 3 locations 5 nice keepers between the ramp and Devil's Dive and then that was that. Headed up to the mouth of Panther and fished the deep channel bank. Surface temps at 1pm in the creek were 54 and it was full of bass. All bucks and were a total pain the the hand.; From Rock Creek to Eagle Rock every cut and every cove mouth had tons of LM and K buck males all over them. Very seldom have I ever said fish are not worth catching, but today was that day. These bucks that probably averaged 12" were skinny and the bite was just like you were hooked into a dish rag. They came to the boat like a 10" walleye and then wiggled and flopped like crazy when you tried to get those vicious treble hooks out of them. The crappie I caught could have kicked the tail of 90 percent of the small bucks that were in a hurry to get to the bank this afternoon. I quit at 3 pm and they were still hooking themselves on the megabass. This post has been promoted to an article
