jdmidwest

The concessionaires are up for bid every so many years. It is not an exclusive deal, anyone can apply when it comes up for bid. But final approval would be DNR. But it is an inclusive deal, camping fees are DNR, Daily Tags are MDC. Motel lodging, store income, food service, firewood, canoe rentals, and any other retail would all be paid to the concessionaire and DNR would receive a cut of the income. Part of the contract would allow them to be the only provider of services. Other parks run a canoe rental service located within them also and the shuttle is provided by the concessionaire owner. Some of the parks, the smaller ones, the concessionaire is responsible for collection of camping fees, campground cleanup, toilet cleanup, etc. There is a website that lists the concessions available and requirements, probably on the DNR web somewhere. Scenic Riverways float concessionaires pay up front in March or April for the estimated number of canoes they plan to float during the season and keep tabs with a form for the DNR. At the end of the season, they pay for the overages or get refunded for shortages. Other streams, there is no fee that I know of. If it is an MDC owned property, it should be open to all for no charge. If it is DNR property and part of the State Park, then the concessionaire has a right to charge a fee.

Then in MO, they should tax the shake and baker's like they do big drug companies. But instead, they give them welfare, food stamps, heating assistance, housing assistance, and other amenities.

Oh come'on, it is just like old times. All gathered around the computer on a cold winter night discussing stuff that does not amount to a hill of beans.

It was late, I was tired, I did not see them approach. They may have applied the gun to me, but instead it deterred. I tend to think my firearms are more advanced than what mad max carried. I don't wear black leather either.

But that law only goes for self defense, any other discharge would be illegal. Hunting with alcohol is illegal and unethical. That does really seem to state that it is only legal in the use of self defense, not carrying for self defense.

This has been going on for a while. Like all pets, people tend to tire of the upkeep and dump them somewhere. We have traded a bale of hay for a few fine horses in the past years. Horse prices have dropped, the killer buyers don't have a market for the meat without the USDA label. You can find nice horses for a few hundred dollars at local stockyards that years past would have brought thousands. Eminence area on the Jack's Fork is one of the places you can float and run across the wild herd. It is a fine sight to see, they are remarkably healthy and fine looking animals. But, since the area is a prime area for trail riders, the wild horses could carry disease that could infect tame horses. They tend to control the size of the herd with several means. If allowed to run unchecked, they could become like the feral hogs that are causing problems all over this part of the state.

As far as DUI is concerned, it would result in the revoking of the CCW permit and flag you every time you try to purchase a firearm thru the National Checking System. Guns and alcohol don't mix and it is illegal to use one under the influence. I would be willing to bet that there are more drunken deer hunters that only have a firearm in their hands a few days a year than there are permitted CCW individuals that are under the influence in a whole year. As far as Open Carry is concerned, I feel it is more of a deterrent to the criminal and may make them think twice. I remember a time when I pulled up in front of my apartment, got out of the truck, and turned around with a loaded 1911 I had been transporting that night from work. I heard a voice proclaim "oh s t, he has a gun" and realized a pair of thugs had followed me with the lights off and tried to pull something on me. I chuckled as I watched them peel out in their car. I have never felt it made me a target. And I can bring it to action quicker than I could pulling one out of concealment. If open carry targets someone, they would be shooting law enforcement all of the time. As far as needing a weapon, most of us travel late night to reach our fishing destinations. It so happens that that is the prime time when crime likes to happen. We all have to stop in places that we are unfamiliar with. And most travel alone. Law enforcement numbers are lower at that time of a night, criminals take advantage of it. It will be you against them at that time, most sensible persons would prefer the upper hand in case they run against that sort of thing.

I had the priveledge to sit in on a CCW class when my dad went thru the course recently. It was by the book and NRA approved instructor. Safety and what is legal was the main directive. The field course required the full amount of rounds shot and included several situations. I stepped in and shot a few myself as it was held on the family farm. The instructor was a deputy sheriff and was well trained. I know there are several instructors that just push the meat thru the grinder for a few bucks. I would not suggest anyone go thru the course with them.

Huge flocks have been migrating north in the Mississippi Flyway for the last 2 weeks. Sunday at the farm, the cloud cover was full and the weather was cooling but the snows were going north by the thousands. I have noticed an influx of Canada Geese lately, locally. One would assume that the snows migrating would signal the end of winter, but they normally follow the snow line. And the fact they have picked everything clean locally and need to go back looking for food.

Of all the vises I have tried, all of them have stood up to the test of time. All of the American made vises have been made of hardened steel that can tye thousands of flies. After that, it is just a matter of style and design. As long as it clamps the variety of hooks you put into it, it should function for a lifetime of fly tying.

Ozark Fly Fishers out of St. Louis is the chapter of FFF that covers this area. http://www.ozarkflyfishers.org/

I have not applied for my CCW for 2 reasons. Some seem to assume that if one carries a firearm daily, they are carrying it concealed. One, most of the areas that persons should be armed in are marked on the door with a "Criminal Protection Zone" sign, aka "No Weapons Allowed". In MO, you can't carry in public assemblies, State government areas, Federal government areas, schools, or any business that posts a sign prohibiting it, typically places that groups of people assemble and nut jobs would take advantage of the fact they are unarmed. And my day job would prohibit it, MODOT licensed vehicle, Class 3 CDL, entry into most factories, and crossing the stupid ditch into IL on a weekly basis would require me to leave it at home. Two, I feel it is another tax that I would have to pay for my rights granted by the constitution. My personal property and real estate is taxed. My motor vehicles are taxed. My right to drive is a tax. My right to carry a firearm concealed would be taxed. I will never own any of the above free and clear. But, contrary to popular opinion, I have no affiation to the Tea Party. I do carry in my vehicle according to state law. I carry openly when I am outdoors and allowed to do so. It is my opinion that open carry is actually a deterrent to violence, who really knows what crimes have been prevented by the criminal seeing an openly carried firearm. I rarely feel the need to carry on a street in the towns I visit. Above all, safety is the most important thing. I do believe in the training portion of the requirement to carry a weapon concealed in this state. I think every firearm owner should have to go through the basic course, either Hunter's Ed or the NRA firearms course. Both stress firearm safety to the max. It makes up for the things you might have not learned in life experiences.

Ness brought this up in a totally unrelated thread, so I thought I would start a new one. Having raised one litter and starting on the grandkid thing, I feel I have a little to share with folks. First of all, be open with your kids of any age, show and teach them about the guns you own and the danger they can create. Don't just hide them, sneak them around, this just ups the curiousity factor that could lead to an accident. Instill in them that there are play guns and real, big boy guns. As they get older, shoot with them, teach them safe gun handling methods. Take a hunter's ed course with them and practice the words they preach every day, Treat every gun like it is loaded and never point it at anything you don't want to shoot. The rest of the Ten Comandments of Gun Safety are important also, but that is the most important. As far as storage, I try to keep ammo and guns in different places. I have several open gun racks in my house with guns in them. The ammo is all tucked away in a protected location. There is always a hot gun that I carry on a daily basis. It is in my control at all times. All others are unloaded or mags loaded and locked in a safe with a key in the safe place. Same goes when outdoors or in the car with the kids, the hot gun (loaded with one in the chamber) is in my control. If I leave it, it goes in a lock box in the car, a tamperproof security safe, the key on my keyring. I have never really believed in trigger locks, I think spending the time raising your kids and teaching them about firearms goes alot farther than locking them up and telling them to stay away. It was the way I was raised. I had my own guns since I was 11. My daughter started at 13. The grandkid will probably start even younger, probably around 5 or 6 with air rifles. Knock on wood, non of my family has ever suffered from a firearms incident and all were raised with the same drill, all guns are loaded and don't point unless you want to shoot.

Jeesh, how many beer cans did you have to sail off her head to get her to sit still and be quiet? Who got this thread off the rails onto this.

I used my pistol last year to signal some target shooters that there was someone fishing in the stream that they were shooting into. With bullets flying around my head, they heard my shots and stopped shooting.

Do you wear a life jacket when floating or get off the water in a storm? If so, you would carry a gun for the other two problems you suggested. Some things in life are not always a happy topic. You have to deal with reality on a daily basis.

People don't carry guns because they are paranoid or looking to start a fight. People carry guns because in most cases, you are the only one around that is available for your personal safety in case of an assault, attack, or other violent act. Most criminals don't attack their victims in sight of an armed police officer. Most places I hunt and fish would require no less than a 30 minute response time from local law enforcement or longer. Most places don't have cell service either, so 911 is not an option. I personally carry because when I am out in the outdoors alone, I really never know what I will wander up on. A portable meth lab, wild dog, wild hog, or maybe a nice frog if they are in season. Or maybe, I slip and break a leg with my new non skid, non felt waders and need to signal for help. I never carry because I am scared. I am smart enough to realize that there are things in this world that care less about my life than I do, the firearm just helps to equalize things a little.

Wet fly hooks are made with stiffer, heavier wire and usually have different shape, shorter shank. Dry hooks are made with fine wire and have longer shanks as a rule. You would probably sink a size 18 with a wet fly hook, not much material there to make it stay on top.

They will probably just slap the snot out of any violater and let them go....

Keep this up, it is always nice to see what shape my favorite trout stream is in..

I snatched up a bunch of old Herters stuff on Ebay 10 years ago. I have a few of the Thompson Clamp A style, 2 of the screw knob type, and a couple of the huge vises with a big s shape handle to lock the jaws down. I also collected some of the tools and accessories. They are all on display in my tying room.

Since the original posting, Reeds Cabins at the top of the hill has a full service fly shop open now. Full line of tying materials, flies, rods, reels, and waders.

Renzetti Cam Traveler for the last 5 years. Renzetti Traveler Screw type the 15 before that. Then there was a Cabelas travel kit, a Thompson A original, and a Uni Vise. I own a half dozen Herters also, but have only tied a few flies on some of them. I have always wanted a Regal Rotary, Renzetti Master, and a Norvise.

While doing some research, I found a letter from Attn John Danforth regarding the matter on the St. Francois River in 1971. It lists the navigable streams of MO. And it references Elder v Delcour. http://ago.mo.gov/opinions/1971/264-71.htm The decision circa 1954. The camping reference was to pull over and eat lunch or make repairs to the boat, not overnight camping. http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=16972749023983545035&hl=en&as_sdt=2&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr And it simply states the banks of the stream, but does not define how far the easement extends from the water edge.

There is no gray area here, landowners own the land around and under the stream in this state. Some of our old deeds use the center of the creek in the description, other areas both sides. Elder Vs Delcor just allows you to float, wade, portage streams because the water and the fish belong to the state and are not privately owned. It does not guarantee you the right to run up the bank to take a leak, camp, party, hunt, ot acess the private lands surrounding the water. I have always heard talk about "high water line" access but I have never seen it in a description of the law. Stream banks are always considered land and are either public or privately owned. If someone can come up with a legal description that allows them to use the high water mark, then point me to that law. My point is, like OTF, you have to be more tactful when you are on the stream. When confronted, don't just start spouting the court decision has given me the right to be here, it will always go south.