laker67 Posted December 30, 2008 Posted December 30, 2008 Well, there you go! Yeah, that was definitely before my time. I know my dad has said that they used to stock the stream, but I assumed it was pre-dam days. I forget that the state didn't acquire the land until the late seventies and someone would have done something with it up until then. Is that Herbert as in Mrs. Herbert and A Bear Video, etc.? I believe they still have a house over by the entrance to Minnow Brook, near the Sallee's old farm. And I'm not sure if Russell is the same Foster, but the Fosters owned my family's land prior (or shortly prior) to my grandparents buying it back in the sixties. Anyway, that is very interesting. Thanks for filling me in. Carl Herbert, from Herbert Construction and Plumbing was the owner. I think it was his father-in-law that actually operated and lived at Trout Glenn. His name was Miller. Russell Foster was the president of 1st Nat. Bank. His name is also on the TU memorial at Bennett Springs. Harry Nelson, J BAR H Rodeo, was another long time, and accomplished, trout fisherman from this area. Glad to see you out there enjoying the sport, Aaron.
fishinwrench Posted December 31, 2008 Posted December 31, 2008 Thanks for the clarification. I was on an assignment shadowing Annie Busch (the recently retired director of SGCL) a few months ago and she talked about having joined MOBIUS and trying to get other area libraries on board. I assumed that, by virtue of the Consortium, the other Ozarks libraries would have access to MOBIUS. Back to trout streams – after being back home for a few days at my parents' farm, next door to Ha Ha Tonka SP, I just had to wonder what kind of trout stream the branch below Ha Ha Tonka Spring would have made if Bagnell Dam not been built. It's output is up there with the rest of the springs that feed most of Missouri's trout stream, but it makes a pretty brief run before dumping into the lake. I bet I would have gotten into all of this a lot earlier if I had a stream I could walk to. Of course, that's a pretty big if, and a lot of other things would be different if the dam wasn't there. Oh it would be cool to see the plug pulled on this pond. Just think of the MILES of smallmouth rivers it would reopen...Gravois cr., Mill cr., Soap cr. the Glaize, the Buffalo's, Cole Camp, the Niangua's...... I hope I live to see it.
Paola Cat Posted December 31, 2008 Posted December 31, 2008 I just found out that T. Hargrove is advertising a 6th addition .... 2006. PC Cheers. PC
fishinwrench Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 I am definetly on board with that, my brother and I always talk about how great the area would have been before the lake. Wish I could have floated it before the dam was put in, I am sure the smallmouth fishing was fantastic. On the wall of the old Camdenton courthouse there are some old pictures taken during the clearing of the land before impoundment, a couple of them were photos of some rough lookin' old dudes (probably loggers on a day off) holding stringers of bass, at least half of them you can tell are Smallies, the writing below the pictures say they were taken on "Buffalo cr. near Zora". I'm talkin' stringers of 20-30 fish..... all NICE ones ! There were also some photos of the confluence of the big and little Niangua rivers, it was either a popular ford or a ferry crossing back then and the river looked really awesome...even in black and white. It would be amazing to see what lies on the floor of this lake, wouldn't it ?
fishinwrench Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 Well, having dived it quite a few times, (my uncle owns Atlantis dock and dive salvage) I can tell that there is a lot of junk(old docks, boats, and other general trash) throughout the lake. Seems like if someone didn't want a dock they will tow it out to deep water and sink it. Out of sight, out of mind I guess. I am sure that even the Osage was a heck of a smallie river. I still catch a few downstream from the dam aways, really got to work for them though. Yeah I bet. I was working on a boat at Millstone several years back and a guy was there diving around the docks looking for goodies. He had found an expensive watch and a box of Snap-on tools the day before, he said the bottom was covered with old batterys, lawn chairs, outboard cowlings, TV antennas and everything you could imagine.
Aaron J Scott Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 I've been on lake shore clean ups (tootle around the lake on a jon boat in the winter picking up dock foam) and its sickening how much stuff goes into the lake. My family lives not too far from the Niangua arm and it's long been a quieter part of the lake, but it still doesn't keep people from chucking (or maybe just neglecting – who am I to assume) junk in there. I remember finding a foul-smelling chunk of foam up on the bank. It was soaked and extremely heavy, despite the fact that it was well above the winter lake level. I looked up above it and saw a pipe dribbling out green and brown stuff. Took a good hot shower immediately afterwards. Somewhere in there is my favorite fishing pole from when I was a kid, no thanks to one of my friends. Save Scratch, Raise Cash. Fish Itch!
fishinwrench Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 I've been on lake shore clean ups (tootle around the lake on a jon boat in the winter picking up dock foam) and its sickening how much stuff goes into the lake. My family lives not too far from the Niangua arm and it's long been a quieter part of the lake, but it still doesn't keep people from chucking (or maybe just neglecting – who am I to assume) junk in there. I remember finding a foul-smelling chunk of foam up on the bank. It was soaked and extremely heavy, despite the fact that it was well above the winter lake level. I looked up above it and saw a pipe dribbling out green and brown stuff. Took a good hot shower immediately afterwards. Somewhere in there is my favorite fishing pole from when I was a kid, no thanks to one of my friends. Quote from LSL: "According to figures released this week by AmerenUE, 281 volunteers removed 937 cubic yards (about 72 tons) of material setting a record for the largest amount of debris ever brought in during a fall cleanup". And that's just the stuff that won't sink. LOL Crazy! I heard something awhile back that made me chuckle (but only because I don't own lakefront property anymore). It seems Ameren has the authority to drop the lake level 22 feet, making all lakefront property "second tier". And reclaiming/reselling the NEW lakefront property. Rumor was they actually considered doing that. Wouldn't that cause an equity stir ? LOL
strangercreek Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 chartingnature.com has the 4th edition for $14.95.
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