Great Streamer

[brownieman]

I'm not a fly fisherman but gotta admit...to me that fly has big brown wrote all over it !!

[creek wader]

I'm not much of a trout fisherman. But, I think they would be killer for smallies. Going to try tying a few today.

[laker67]

Sillicone or rubber legs don't make it an illegal fly in Missouri. Those materials are not the same as "soft plastic" and they meet the "tied" part of the definition. But with the two hook points joined, it would be a "lure". If you cut off the leading hook point, then it meets the single point definition of a fly.

Soft plastic is a silicone base, rubberlike substance. Now you tell me how "one", is more legal or illegal than the other.

[laker67]

Sillicone or rubber legs don't make it an illegal fly in Missouri. Those materials are not the same as "soft plastic" and they meet the "tied" part of the definition. But with the two hook points joined, it would be a "lure". If you cut off the leading hook point, then it meets the single point definition of a fly.

In the "tied" part of the definition, superglue is also included. I suppose you could superglue a rubber worm to a hook and call it a fly. Add some hackles and a little bit of thread for good measure.

[fishinwrench]

In the "tied" part of the definition, superglue is also included. I suppose you could superglue a rubber worm to a hook and call it a fly. Add some hackles and a little bit of thread for good measure.

During the big "fly definition" change a few years ago, rubber or synthetic legs and shellbacks, foam, and pieces of animal hide or chamois created lots of discussion. but they ARE legal components of a "fly" now.

[laker67]

During the big "fly definition" change a few years ago, rubber or synthetic legs and shellbacks, foam, and pieces of animal hide or chamois created lots of discussion. but they ARE legal components of a "fly" now.

I know "fw", it seems to be the general opinion. What is fly fishing coming to? It was someone's way of keeping "us" away from the big browns in zone 3. That someone's initials are JR. Where can I find that "fly definition" in writing? I have looked and looked. I will still argue that soft plastic, silicone, shellbacks, and rubber are one in the same. Chamois is pork rind without the fat. I think I will sell all of my fishing gear and take up bowling. Later.

[fishinwrench]

it's right here http://mdc.mo.gov/fish/sport/trout/angling.htm it's a bit confusing, but rubber legs and foam are not considered "soft plastic bait" ....they fall in the "any material" catagory. At least that is the way I enterpret it.

[dave potts]

Before long we are going to need a law degree to fish the parks. I've been fishing the parks for over thirty years and have never had an agent check me for a tag, lure or anything else. But just let me put on an illegal fly one time and they would probably be all over me. And I probably wouldn't even know it was an illegal fly!

Dave

[jdmidwest]

The stinger is just a short dropper. And the silicone legs would need a chemist to prove it is not rubber.

Rule of thumb, if you don't think it will be legal, don't fish it till you get approval from the governing authority of the water you are fishing.

Nice fly. I bet the smallies will like it too. Thanks Jeremy.

[Jeremy Hunt]

To be honest, I have fished flies with rubber legs for a long time and have had no problems fishing them in any trophy zones. I’ve also been checked by agents who saw flies with rubber legs and didn’t question it whatsoever. So like someone said, you be the judge on what you should and shouldn’t throw. I think it’s ok, but that’s just my opinion.

About the articulated hooks, it’s a must for having more action to the fly so if you can get away with it, do. One hook doesn’t give this fly justice. That’s why it was designed this way. I think every fly has a purpose for the way it was tied. More and more I’m starting to understand why people throw BIG articulated patterns. It’s all action and even when your not working the fly, it’s working for you. I bet you can hook just about anything you want on this pattern.