Sea Shepherd's Ady Gil Attacked By Japanese Whaling Vessel

[Mitch f]

Mosouthpaw-

I dont like PETA either, bunch of idiots. But how far would you go if you saw a group of boats snagging large trout with a treble hook? No, I wouldnt ram their boat but I would harass them and call the MDC folks.

[taxidermist]

Was this before or after the sea Shepard crew threw acid in the face of the Japanese? I see what the Sea Sheperd crew doing a kin to PIRACY in their attacks.

[jscheetz]

You know Taxi - it is comments like yours that just continue to perpetuate the lies heavily funded by the Japanese government. How? Because when someone says that someone "Threw acid in somebody's face" - what do we think of? Of course what they WANT people to think is that some poor soul has had some terrible disfiguring burning acid thrown in their face that melted their skin right off.....

That is NOT what we are dealing with here. Many activist groups including the sea Shepherd use Rotten Butter - which becomes butyric acid - they throw this on the deck of the ship and it's smell is such that no one wants to be there. It has been used for years to clear a political gathering, and even by some authorities to break up unruly gatherings. It is a nasty smell that causes many people to vomit, and is very hard to clean up. By the way, there is no proof of any of this getting "thrown into the face" of anyone on any of the ships the Sea shepherd has thrown or launched it on...... unless of course you believe the press releases by the Japanese government, which of course is who is funding these whale hunts....

Now, if you just didn't know this and are just repeating some kind of propaganda you have read, then no problem, now you will know the next time you see something about this. But whether a person thinks this kind of behavior is acceptable or despicable, we at least need to be honest about what is going on and not try to perpetuate all the false information that surrounds this issue.

JS

[taxidermist]

Its not a lie, you need to read the story in the Sidney AU. paper.

What the Sea Shepard is doing is at lest vandalism.

You better think long and hard before backing any ANTI HUNTING AND FISHING activist.

eee gads looks like you are becoming a bunny hugger. I will never back any anti regardless of what they are defending.

I am about to do what Lilly warns me about. to show you. its the strength of the acid that matters.

C4H8O2, 4.82pH

Now this is the stuff Sea Shepherd is using.

CH13NO2 This is dissolved in 75% alcohol It can be used for fertilizer. But when the SS uses the mix with alcohol. its highly flammable.

I got this info from a sight that supports the SS crap.

[denjac]

The bat boat put theirselves in harms way. They had plenty of time to get out of the way but chose to just sit in the water. They got what they deserved!

[zander]

It is important to give a reference for the pH that Taxi used above. I got this from a dept of chemistry website.

"Coca-Cola® products range in pH from 2.5 - 4.2. Coca-Cola Classic® is the most acidic at 2.5"

At these low levels it would take barrels of that strength of acid to damage a small piece of skin.

Sometimes I admire these guys, it is easy to do that. They seemingly do what they want and are "sticking it to the man." At the same time, I sometimes think they are all a bit off-center.

That being said, the Japanese have the defense that they hunt whlaes only for scientific research purposes. This defense is just as woefully transparent yet successful as OJ's defense. I think if they claim it is for scientific research it should ban the use of the meat. The UN should mandate that the carcasses not be used for consumption but rather for further scientific research like colonization of whale carcasses by other organisms.

[flytyer57]

im against whaling, and im against the whale whores of the sea shepherd. There is no difference in attacks on whalers and the attacks on hunters and fisherman by radical animal rights groups. Justifying the acts of the whale whores only justifies the acts of the PETA folks attacking and harassing hunters and fisherman here in the US. Who knows when they will have shows about PETA scum following and harassing sportsman...

One very big difference.

Fishing and hunting here in the US is legal.

Still the Japanese should not be killing whales for whatevwer reason they want to use as a guise, and the fanatics should not be getting that close to the Japanese ships. Do what they can to disrupt their efforts, but do not try boarding their vessels and putting your own life in danger. Martyrs are not self inflicted.

[taxidermist]

While the pH is important its not the most important factor. Try a microscope and look at the effects of different acids on skin. even when adjusted to the same pH (particles of Hydrogen) some acids have more harsh effects than others. Citric acid verse boric acid, boric acid use to a eye wash. formic acid, acetic acid, and so on. the harshness of the acid and the carrier.

Anyway at that point the SS Captain should be charged with assault.

[jscheetz]

Ahhhhh, now I see Taxi - if we get a microscope out we can see the horrible damage that has been done....

Once again - the Sea Shepard denies every throwing "acid in someones face". You read somewhere that it did happen - so where are the police charges filed? Where is your proof that it did happen? As far as backing an anti hunter or fisher - well, I guess if that means going on the side of what I feel is "right" and "just" - and frankly flat out the legal side of this issue.... I guess you got me...

JS

[eric1978]

You better think long and hard before backing any ANTI HUNTING AND FISHING activist.

It's not hunting or fishing. It's POACHING. They deserve having acid thrown in their faces if you ask me. Have you ever seen the documentary "The Cove?" You may see things differently afterward, though I'm not holding my breath.