flytyer57 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 I guess Beck and Limbaugh are only opposed to Global Warming to steam up the Liberals with some of the comments on here. They are enough to steam up the Sahara on a HOT summer day. There's a fine line between fishing and sitting there looking stupid.
Al Agnew Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 I don't listen to them at all. I would think that if we were fighting for this oil that it would be ours for free and our fuel prices would be down. We have freed it for export but imagine it is being sold at the 90+ a barrel like the rest is. You're not thinking geopolitically. Nobody with any sense EVER said that we went to Iraq to get cheap or free oil, and nobody ever said that we went there expecting to get oil to lower the price of gasoline at the pump. But what is much more than likely is that we went there at least partly in the hopes of securing a stable source of oil from a country beholden to us. Take a look at the Middle East. It furnishes something between 15 and 20% of the oil we consume. Much of that comes from Saudi Arabia. The Saudis have ruled Arabia for many years, but much of the population is strict Wahabbist, and the clerics don't much like the way the Saudis run the country. It is certainly conceivable that at some point the Saudis just might be overthrown, and if they are, the Wahabbis are NOT going to be friendly to the U.S. or U.S. oil companies. It's certainly just as conceivable that we could lose Arabia as a source of oil. The plan in Iraq was to overthrow Saddam and institute some sort of democracy, with a government friendly to the U.S. and stable enough that we would have another secure source of Middle Eastern oil. It wouldn't lower the price of oil, since the price is set on the international market and it doesn't much matter where the oil comes from, it's all going to be the same price. But it would have insured that Iraq, which I believe has the second largest oil reserves in the Middle East, no longer had a dictator who didn't like us and could have blackmailed us with the threat of withholding their oil reserves or selling them to rival nations. It didn't quite work out that way, due to misjudgments and trying to do nation building on the cheap. But the oil is starting to flow, and the jury is still out on how things will end up. But I'd bet a lot of money that the goal was as I said.
jdmidwest Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 They are enough to steam up the Sahara on a HOT summer day. Then turn them off and don't listen to them.. "Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously." — Hunter S. Thompson
flytyer57 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Then turn them off and don't listen to them.. Oh trust me, I learned a looooooonnnnnnnnnng time ago to do just that. Really bothers me to hear their talking points here cuz I know the crap that those two spew. There's a fine line between fishing and sitting there looking stupid.
Mitch f Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Oh trust me, I learned a looooooonnnnnnnnnng time ago to do just that. Really bothers me to hear their talking points here cuz I know the crap that those two spew. http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/02/04/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-february-3-2011/81541 It really bothers me the crap both sides spew. "Honor is a man's gift to himself" Rob Roy McGregor
jdmidwest Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Oh trust me, I learned a looooooonnnnnnnnnng time ago to do just that. Really bothers me to hear their talking points here cuz I know the crap that those two spew. If you don't listen to them, how do you know what they say?? "Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously." — Hunter S. Thompson
Mitch f Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 You're not thinking geopolitically. Nobody with any sense EVER said that we went to Iraq to get cheap or free oil, and nobody ever said that we went there expecting to get oil to lower the price of gasoline at the pump. But what is much more than likely is that we went there at least partly in the hopes of securing a stable source of oil from a country beholden to us. Take a look at the Middle East. It furnishes something between 15 and 20% of the oil we consume. Much of that comes from Saudi Arabia. The Saudis have ruled Arabia for many years, but much of the population is strict Wahabbist, and the clerics don't much like the way the Saudis run the country. It is certainly conceivable that at some point the Saudis just might be overthrown, and if they are, the Wahabbis are NOT going to be friendly to the U.S. or U.S. oil companies. It's certainly just as conceivable that we could lose Arabia as a source of oil. The plan in Iraq was to overthrow Saddam and institute some sort of democracy, with a government friendly to the U.S. and stable enough that we would have another secure source of Middle Eastern oil. It wouldn't lower the price of oil, since the price is set on the international market and it doesn't much matter where the oil comes from, it's all going to be the same price. But it would have insured that Iraq, which I believe has the second largest oil reserves in the Middle East, no longer had a dictator who didn't like us and could have blackmailed us with the threat of withholding their oil reserves or selling them to rival nations. It didn't quite work out that way, due to misjudgments and trying to do nation building on the cheap. But the oil is starting to flow, and the jury is still out on how things will end up. But I'd bet a lot of money that the goal was as I said. Agree 100% "Honor is a man's gift to himself" Rob Roy McGregor
flytyer57 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 If you don't listen to them, how do you know what they say?? I've heard them in the past. Every now and then they pop up on YouTube and just for chuckles, I'll listen. There's a fine line between fishing and sitting there looking stupid.
Wayne SW/MO Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Today's release is tomorrows gift to another fisherman.
eric1978 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 http://tvbythenumber...ry-3-2011/81541 It really bothers me the crap both sides spew. Look at the numbers watching Beck and Hannity. Wow, that's a LOT of Kool Aid being poured.
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