Weird Winter Weather Puzzles Scientists

[flytyer57]

This video is "right side" leaning but it's still pretty informative

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[Mitch f]

Brought to you by "junkscience.com"

Thanks for pointing that out Captain Obvious,

Now listen to the words on both sides

[flytyer57]

Thanks for pointing that out Captain Obvious,

Now listen to the words on both sides

I did. And I also checked out those so called "scientists" that were listed in that video. Most of them were paid by corporations who have an interest to deny the truth.

[Mitch f]

I did. And I also checked out those so called "scientists" that were listed in that video. Most of them were paid by corporations who have an interest to deny the truth.

Good, you did your homework and listened to both sides and came up with your own opinion

Now let's expose the scientists; list your findings for each of the scientist mentioned in this video

And which corporation is backing them, 1 at a time. Let' s expose them!

[Wayne SW/MO]

Where are we fighting Wars for energy? This seems to elude me! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Me too Gary.

So where are we supposed to be getting all the uranium etc. to power these nuclear plants? Right now it looks as if Kazakhstan is the worlds leader in uranium mining. That again is in the same region in which we are currently fighting a war for oil and gas. Shall we continue our wars for energy or should we find alternative sources we can produce right here in the USA?

[flytyer57]

Me too Gary.

Afghanistan, search TAPI.

Iraq, that's a no brainer. We attacked Iraq because Saddam tried to kill Bush's daddy? Please. And the proof was there long before the war that there were no WMD.

[Wayne SW/MO]

Even with those "severe limitations," China plans to be off fossil fuels by 2030, based largely on wind power. Well of China says it you can take it to the bank.

Even with those "severe limitations," 85% of Brazil's energy is produced domestically using renewable energy. Not hard to believe. With a vast part of the country jungle occupied by first century tribesman. They also have a vast amount of suger cane roughage to process.

Even with those "severe limitations," 81% of Iceland's domestic energy is renewable. And I'll bet it's thermal! We could probably do the same thing with Yellowstone or Kentucky, if Kentucky sat on the same geological thermal region.

Even with those "severe limitations," 99% of Costa Rica's domestic energy is renewable.

Even with those "severe limitations," 90% of domestic hot water in Israel, and 99% of domestic hot water in Greece, is generated via solar poewr. Which has little bearing on electricity generation.

Even with those "severe limitations," several regions of Spain are 100% energy independent, with all their energy coming from renewables. "Regions"???

Even with those "severe limitations," many European nations have made significant steps toward energy independence using renewable technology. Many are all over Nuclear energy.

You guys keep saying it can't be done, yet there are people out there doing it. I guess those severe limitations aren't as severe as some folks imagine.

Doing what?? Dipping in small pockets of energy potential?

What's unproven about green energy? Either a turbine produces electricity, or it doesn't. And when it doesn't?Windmills and waterwheels are thousands of years old, and work on the same principles as modern-day wind turbines, hydropower and geothermal plants. You and I and the fossil fuels we burn are all various packets of solar energy. Harnessing wind and water to do work for us humans is as old as civilization itself, and in many ways is far more proven than any internal combustion engine or nuclear reactor. So what rivers would you dam? Hydroelectric is not a sure thing. Green technology isn't new, it's centuries old, scientists are just modifying it to suit today's needs. Unfortunately they rely on unreliable energy sources. While they may reduce the use of co2 producing fuels, only nuclear can eliminate all of an uncontrolled fuel. It's still the best source of electrical generation in this country under present technology. Our we going to do without when the wind doesn't blow or the sun doesn't shine?? How much lower do think the drain on the grid was in Missouri the last few nights? What are you going to feed the grid with at 3 AM?

[Wayne SW/MO]

Afghanistan, search TAPI.

Iraq, that's a no brainer. We attacked Iraq because Saddam tried to kill Bush's daddy? Please. And the proof was there long before the war that there were no WMD.

While you were searching uranium production you should have made a note that while Kazakhstan produces 27% of the world supply today, Canada produces 20% and Australia 16%. It's hard to imagine that we would be held captive by an Asian country when the North American supply is equal.

You could have avoided committing the same thing you accuse Limbaugh of doing. Your Kazakhstan example simply doesn't exist.

TAPI? Has what to do with global warming or renewable energy in what sense? You're not changing the subject are you?

[flytyer57]

Good, you did your homework and listened to both sides and came up with your own opinion

Now let's expose the scientists; list your findings for each of the scientist mentioned in this video

And which corporation is backing them, 1 at a time. Let' s expose them!

Syun-ichi Akasofu- Not much found on this guy except the University of Alaska.

Tim Ball- Dr. Timothy Ball is Chairman and Chair of the Scientific Advisory Committee of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP).[1] Two of the three directors of the NRSP - Timothy Egan and Julio Lagos - are executives with the PR and lobbying company, the High Park Group (HPG).[2] Both HPG and Egan and Lagos work for energy industry clients and companies on energy policy.[3]

Ball is a Canadian climate change skeptic and was previously a "scientific advisor" to the oil industry-backed organization, Friends of Science.[4] Ball is a member of the Board of Research Advisors of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy, a Canadian free-market think tank which is predominantly funded by foundations and corporations.

Ian Clark- Clark and the NRSP- Clark sits on the "scientific advisory board" of a Canadian group called the "Natural Resource Stewardship Project," (NRSP) a lobby organization that refuses to disclose its funding sources. The NRSP is led by executive director Tom Harris and Dr. Tim Ball. An October 16, 2006 CanWest Global news article on who funds the NRSP, it states that "a confidentiality agreement doesn't allow him [Tom Harris] to say whether energy companies are funding his group."

Recently, DeSmog has discovered that the NRSP is controlled by energy industry lobbyists.

Patrick J Mickaels- Michaels' firm does not disclose who its clients are, but leaked documents have revealed that several were power utilities which operate coal power stations. On a 2007 academic CV, Michaels disclosed that prior to creating his firm he had received funding from the Edison Electric Institute and the Western Fuels Association. He has also been a frequent speaker with leading coal and energy companies as well as coal and other industry lobby groups.

Nir Shaviv- Shaviv is a climate change skeptic and was a speaker at the International Conference on Climate Change (2009) hosted by the conservative think tank, the Heartland Institute.

Fredereick Singer-Affiliations1989- Director and President, Science and Environmental Policy Project, a foundation-funded, independent research group, incorporated in 1992, to advance environment and health policies through sound science. SEPP is a non-profit, education organization.

1993- Member of the board of the International Center for a Scientific Ecology.

1994- Distinguished Research Professor, Institute for Humane Studies at George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.

2002 Advisory Board Member, American Council on Science and Health

Editorial Advisory Board, The Cato Institute

Adjunct Scholar, National Center for Policy Analysis

Adjunct Fellow, Frontiers of Freedom

2006- Member of the Science Advisory Committee for the Natural Resources Stewardship Project.

It should be noted that, according to the Environmental Defense Fund, October 26, 2006[6]

The Cato Institute received $55,000 from ExxonMobil in 2002-2003.

The National Center for Policy Analysis received $105,000 from ExxonMobil in 2002-2003.

The Frontiers of Freedom organizations received $282,000 from ExxonMobil in 2002-2003.

The American Council on Science and Health received $35,000 from ExxonMobil in 2002-2003

Oil Industry Contractor

In a September 24, 1993, sworn affidavit, Dr. Singer stated that he had two meetings with Robert Balling in Pheonix for which his expenses were re-imbursed. Singer believed the the funding, which he received from Balling, originated from the Western Fuels Association.[19] Singer also admitted to working as a consultant on approximately half a dozen occasions for the Global Climate Coalition and that payments to him came either from the firm of John Shlaes, the coalition's director or the PR firm, E. Bruce Harrison, which worked for the coalition.[20] He also stated that he had undertaken consulting work on "perhaps a dozen or so" energy companies. This included work on behalf of oil companies, such as Exxon, Texaco, Arco, Shell, Sun, Unocal, the Electric Power Research Institute, Florida Power and the American Gas Association.[21]

[flytyer57]

While you were searching uranium production you should have made a note that while Kazakhstan produces 27% of the world supply today, Canada produces 20% and Australia 16%. It's hard to imagine that we would be held captive by an Asian country when the North American supply is equal.

You could have avoided committing the same thing you accuse Limbaugh of doing. Your Kazakhstan example simply doesn't exist.

TAPI? Has what to do with global warming or renewable energy in what sense? You're not changing the subject are you?

Turkmenistan Afghanistan Pakistan India- pipe line. Look it up.