eric1978 Posted July 24, 2011 Author Posted July 24, 2011 If it is one fish over 18" for all except swmo and 1 fish over 15" for all unimpounded waters in swmo, how the hell is that you can keep more fish????? If the limit is 15 instead of 18, you can keep more fish...duh! Yet you don't mind haveing special regs for spots on your rivers???? Problem is the huge number of people in our state without brains and teeth. So while I do appreciate the value of having specific regulations for each individual river, that's not going to be practical to implement, enforce, or even to expect most people to know about or understand. So a statewide reg would be most favorable IMO, and if that would ever be the case, a 12-18" slot sounds to me like a good umbrella formula. If they implemented a statewide 12-18 inch slot limit for smallmouth, I would be okay with them doing away with the special spotted bass regs.
Chief Grey Bear Posted July 24, 2011 Posted July 24, 2011 If the limit is 15 instead of 18, you can keep more fish...duh! If they implemented a statewide 12-18 inch slot limit for smallmouth, I would be okay with them doing away with the special spotted bass regs. 1 fish over is 1 fish over no matter what the length limit is. What kind of math do you guy's have over on the east side anyway??? Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
Chief Grey Bear Posted July 24, 2011 Posted July 24, 2011 I'd be good with keeping ZERO smallies from flowing water flowing water regardless of their genetics. If it was healthy for the stream, I would be too Ham. But there is 0 research supporting that. Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
eric1978 Posted July 24, 2011 Author Posted July 24, 2011 1 fish over is 1 fish over no matter what the length limit is. What kind of math do you guy's have over on the east side anyway??? More big fish...that's what we're talking about. If it was healthy for the stream, I would be too Ham. But there is 0 research supporting that. Who was removing the fish 400 years ago? I suppose all the smallies were stunted before we got here.
Ham Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 There are otters, herons, osprey, mink, turtles, kingfishers, raccoons, and lots of piscatorial predators to help keep the smallie numbers in check. I agree that it's a good idea to have scientific research to back up regs, but some stuff gets researched to death. The research continues while the resource goes to he'll. Not the case with smallies Thank goodness. I fully support selective harvest. Especially on crappie and walleye! Every Saint has a past, every Sinner has a future. On Instagram @hamneedstofish
drew03cmc Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 More big fish...that's what we're talking about. Who was removing the fish 400 years ago? I suppose all the smallies were stunted before we got here. The people removing the smallmouth and thusly preventing overpopulation and stunting, were the native Americans, not to mention the natural predators. In this area, take your choice of tribe. Now, on the stream we fished two weeks ago, I had a hook in the two largest brownies I have ever had on, lost them both, but knew they were both over 15. Andy
Chief Grey Bear Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 Not the case with smallies Thank goodness. Great, then there is no need for stricter regulation, because there has been nothing found stating that the population is being decimated and some here seem to think. I fully support selective harvest. Especially on crappie and walleye! Now if you want to talk crappie, I think there should be a 12" limit on the larger impoundments. Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
eric1978 Posted July 25, 2011 Author Posted July 25, 2011 The people removing the smallmouth and thusly preventing overpopulation and stunting, were the native Americans, not to mention the natural predators. In this area, take your choice of tribe. Now, on the stream we fished two weeks ago, I had a hook in the two largest brownies I have ever had on, lost them both, but knew they were both over 15. Oh, please. You're gonna sit there with a straight face and say the Native Americans harvested as many fish from MO rivers as we currently do now? That's silliness. But fine, in that case, who regulated the fisheries and kept the populations in check before the Native Americans crossed the Bering Strait? The smallmouth have been here for tens of thousands of years...they don't need us to do anything but put them back after we catch them. The "overpopulation" (which is a figment of your imagination) is regulated enough by pollution and habitat degradation. Any more "help" from humans only makes things worse. Great, then there is no need for stricter regulation, because there has been nothing found stating that the population is being decimated and some here seem to think. No one is saying they're being decimated, only that the fishing could be better with different regs. Better.
Chief Grey Bear Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 More big fish...that's what we're talking about. Who was removing the fish 400 years ago? I suppose all the smallies were stunted before we got here. No it was a natural balance before the europeans showed up. Nobody can manage a stream better than mother nature. That fact is supported by your management plan. Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
eric1978 Posted July 25, 2011 Author Posted July 25, 2011 No it was a natural balance before the europeans showed up. Nobody can manage a stream better than mother nature. That fact is supported by your management plan. Great, then there is no need to harvest smallmouth because there has been nothing found stating that rivers are overpopulated...and now we can move on to better regulations.
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