Anybody Got A Black Caddis Wet Fly

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Anyone got a wet fly for black caddis hatches. This is the only one I could find.

Black Stone fly

Tied by: vadi nasskott

Size 16 Tiemco 100BL hook.

Superfine black dubbing for body

CDC feather for wing

Black hackle for feet

Black No. 8 thread

I saw this fly originally tied on television as a flying ant by Mike Lawson,Henry Fork's Anglers,Island Park,Idaho.I leave off the zlon wing(which normally would be tied on before the cdc feather),and I use a size 16 or 18 hook when I tie for the black caddis hatch.1 tie this fly in brown and grey also for different caddis hatches with varying size hooks.The cdc feather is normally the color of the body but sometimes grey is a good wing color.

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Here is my version. Lets hope there is a hatch to fish to on Labor Day Weekend at Bennett. The hatch chart shows them as a Sept-Oct hatch so I will probably be a little early. Your critiques are requested.

Black Caddis Wet Fly

Hook: Dai-Riki #075, Size 18

Thread: Black 8/0

Body: Thread

Back Wing: Black Marabou

Front Wing: Starling

[jdmidwest]

Your version has a nicer head, and it is hackled more like a wet fly than the other guy's fly. It should do well. If you ever get to Montauk, it should work well in the catch and release section.

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Your version has a nicer head, and it is hackled more like a wet fly than the other guy's fly. It should do well. If you ever get to Montauk, it should work well in the catch and release section.

Thanks JD.

I tied two like this and two with (I think it was called) spade hackle. If there is a hatch I thought about tying the dry fly hackle on the front and the wet fly hackle on an 8 inch dropper. I guess we will see if either one works.

[3wt]

The first one looks like a dry fly. CDC will eventually sink, but the dry hackle won't have the motion you're looking for in a wet. I think the dressing with the sparse wet soft hackle and maribou are more appropriate for a wet.

I'm not familiar with the black cadiss hatch, but I'm not sure that a wet caddis should look quite like an adult with the down wing and what not. For a typical caddis pupea or emerger I'd say less is more. Leave off the wing. Try with the sparse thread body, but maybe also a hearl body - I think there's a classic wet called a sparrow and one called a starling and herl that may be the ticket. I think I'd try a variety of soft hackles in various shades of dark. Nice thing is that they tie up pretty quick so you can whip some up at camp pretty easy.

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The first one looks like a dry fly. CDC will eventually sink, but the dry hackle won't have the motion you're looking for in a wet. I think the dressing with the sparse wet soft hackle and maribou are more appropriate for a wet.

I'm not familiar with the black cadiss hatch, but I'm not sure that a wet caddis should look quite like an adult with the down wing and what not. For a typical caddis pupea or emerger I'd say less is more. Leave off the wing. Try with the sparse thread body, but maybe also a hearl body - I think there's a classic wet called a sparrow and one called a starling and herl that may be the ticket. I think I'd try a variety of soft hackles in various shades of dark. Nice thing is that they tie up pretty quick so you can whip some up at camp pretty easy.

Yea, I searched for a picture of an emerger to find out what the body color was. I was going to match the color in silk and tie on the starling. I can only find the adult and the pupa. The pupa is a yellowish orange color, but I don't know if it keeps that color during emergence. I guess I should add a couple of 18 orange and starlings to the box.

http://bugguide.net/node/view/263986/bgimage

[fishinwrench]

Try a #18 brown hackle peacock (soft hackle). If you look at them closely in good light those tiny black caddis really aren't all that BLACK.

[3wt]

If I get a chance tonight I'll see if Lafontaine has any advice on this hatchin 'Caddisflies.'

[Gavin]

LaFontaine's Emergent Sparkle Pupa or an Iris Caddis should do the trick..There is a recipe for the black ESP in "Caddisflies". Cheers

[3wt]

I'm sure you can find that pattern on the internet if you try.

If Gary recommended an emergent sparkle pupa in a black dressing, I'd go with it. But try some soft hackles too. Sometimes stocker trout aren't smart enough to know what they're eating, and a lighter offering might do the trick. For example - during trico hatches I've caught few trout at Montauk on actual trico imitations. Usually sometihng lighter like a grey body and grizzly hackle work better. Maybe the lighter dressing looks like the natural's wings that are clear, or maybe the fresh out of the hatchery fish just see it better and react.