Trespass

[Al Agnew]

I'm don't think it's simply rural vs. urban. It's a little more specific than that. There are taverns in rural areas that I have way more than enough sense not to wander into. There are accesses on the rivers that I try not to be at after dark. The same as the many streets of St. Louis that I wouldn't dream of even stopping the vehicle on, let alone getting out, let alone being there after dark. I'm pretty sure that I can walk into any cafe, general store, gas station, or walk down any main street in the Ozarks and run into nothing dangerous and plenty of friendly people, but when you live in any piece of country, you know there are places where, if you have to go there, you walk softly.

Like I've said before, if you HAVE to frequent such places regularly, you better be carrying. But the chances of the prudent person who doesn't have to be in such places needing a gun to defend themselves are slim enough that I figure I'll take those chances.

[junkman]

The target is 7 yards.

Actual course material varies per instructor.

http://www.carryconcealed.net/

Only 7 yards? Wow I shot a 44 magnum one time to see what it was like and hit within the lines at 30 yards. might have just been luck or the gun.

[FishinCricket]

Only 7 yards? Wow I shot a 44 magnum one time to see what it was like and hit within the lines at 30 yards. might have just been luck or the gun.

Well try that with a snub nose .38 or my LCP Ruger, and good luck to ya! lol

[jdmidwest]

In reality, a self defense shooting takes place in close quarters. It is harder to shoot close range under pressure than it is to shoot at a target with a sporting arm at hunting ranges. You don't have the time to stop, take aim, breath, release the air, squeeze the trigger. Its threat, draw, identify and make decision, fire.

Most of the time, 7 yards is where you will need to practice. If the threat is 30 yards away, you should have time to evade and escape, avoiding a need for a firearm. In self defense, you are being attacked in a home, getting out of your car, etc. You will not be engaging a sniper that wants to shoot you and steal your stuff.

Try spinning with the target behind you and shooting 2 to the heart and one to the head with a strange firearm and see how you can do in a timed drill. Or do it with multiple targets behind you, pick out the bad guy between 2 friendlies and do it in a timed drill.

Advanced courses are really fun.

[jdmidwest]

Jd it was in response to this post:

I have seen too many cheap guns go off by dropping them, as I said even my 1911 and 686 ( 686 being a revolver) I’ve seen it happen. The Glock it doesn’t happen with! The abuse they put those guns through to insure they don’t go off without pulling the trigger and the abuse they put them through to make sure they go off when you want them to is what I was referring to. Would I put mine through that? NO, but it’s nice to know if it did go through it, it would still work when needed.

I did not think you would run over your Glock and pick it up and start shooting without checking it out thoroughly for obstructions, but I did not want the gun newbies to think that you could get away with that.

Your 1911 and 686 should be safe to drop without them going off. Series 80 on the 1911 added a hammerblock to the original design. That is why series 70 and earlier are so popular and why they started making them again a few years back, for some ungodly reason. It must be a trigger thing. My Officers is a series 80, I carry cocked and locked with one in the chamber. The 686 is the same, it has a safety to prevent an accidental drop. But, many older firearms will go bang if the hammer strikes something hard in a fall and ignites the primer.

AD, accidentally discharge happens, that is why they call it accidental. I have one famous AD, it was on a Single Six Ruger 22, 3 screw, old style, one night in the house after I went out to shoot a possum in the chicken coop. I went to drop the hammer and put it on safety nock, slipped, and put one into the floor in the bedroom. Dad never missed a beat in his snoring in the next room. Years later, we pulled up the carpet and reverted back to the original hardwood floors and there it was, a slug in the floor under my bed. 30 years later and I spilled the beans.

[ColdWaterFshr]

Sorry you went through that Smalliebigs. I remember that horrible night, though not quite as up close and personal as you. And I know a couple of the Kirkwood cops, one fairly well. For whatever it is worth, I'm pretty certain he doesn't carry when he is off duty, but . . . I forgot what my point was.

I'm glad we have the right to bear arms. But for me, there is going to have to a whole lot more crazies around before I'd want to tote that kind of responsibility around. The Cookie Thortons of the world are random and few and far between fortunately . . . .and the overwhelming majority of the general public are genuinely good and compassionate . . . this isn't Somalia. I would probably have to pull up tent stakes on this country if it got to the point where I felt I needed 24/7 armament. I trust in our law enforcement and their responsiveness to get the job done. And on a trout stream or creek?? I guess I don't get it, but I don't begrudge you your rights. One of my good buddies has the CC permit and I've fished with him many times while he's had his 9mm tucked in his waders. I tease his Rambo vigilante butt about it every chance I get, but he's stuck on it, just like all you wannabe heros. Just remind him to check that safety often and stay off the sauce.

[jdmidwest]

The ones that carry for self defense are not worried about being heros. Note the part about "self defense". Concealed carry is for personal protection and your family which you owe some responsibility. Most are not going to run in and break up something that does not involve them personally because they are Carrying Concealed. If you are lucky and can't defend yourself, they will dial 911 and let the pros help you.

[Gavin]

Walking into the aftermath of the Kirkwood Courthouse Massacre....thats pretty rough. Pack if you want to, dont if you dont. I'm not worried.

[Flyflinger]

I tease his Rambo vigilante butt about it every chance I get, but he's stuck on it, just like all you wannabe heros. Just remind him to check that safety often and stay off the sauce.

Really..that's what you think of us?

[ozark trout fisher]

Really..that's what you think of us?

I think he's just kidding you.