Gavin Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Guess the fee depends on who owns the land...MDC, DNR, Forest Service, National Park Service...and there is quite a bit of paperwork involved. I dont think that MDC charges...but their revenue stream isnt subject to the whims of the political class. The state parks allow the possession and consumption of alchohol but you cant have an open container in certain areas...Parking lots, swimming areas, etc.
fishinwrench Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 The state parks allow the possession and consumption of alchohol but you cant have an open container in certain areas...Parking lots, swimming areas, etc. That's pretty crazy. So you'd have to carry an unopened beer from your vehicle to a "safe zone"..... but you wouldn't be able to carry the empty can/bottle back ? Whaddaya do now? There ya are stuck in legal limbo .... standing there holding a bottle for all eternity.
Wayne SW/MO Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 It's not about alcohol. It's about Rogers renting canoes to float a river that is outside the park. Outfitters and individuals are not allowed to launch in the park. Burns received a call from the Missouri State Parks division telling him that he would not be allowed to go in the park to pick up or drop off floaters, even though a state highway runs through Bennett Spring. The park then talks out of both sides of their mouth, saying that the outfitters are taking business away from the park and then says "priority is to ensure visitors continue to enjoy their stay . . . and (it's) aware of the concerns raised and will keep an open dialog." In other words they feel the outfitters are taking money away by giving visitors a choice. Today's release is tomorrows gift to another fisherman.
Greasy B Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 If you look close at the mountain dew bottles everyone in the trout parks carry around you'll notice a very un mountain dew head of foam. His father touches the Claw in spite of Kevin's warnings and breaks two legs just as a thunderstorm tears the house apart. Kevin runs away with the Claw. He becomes captain of the Greasy Bastard, a small ship carrying rubber goods between England and Burma. Michael Palin, Terry Jones, 1974
FishinCricket Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 If you look close at the mountain dew bottles everyone in the trout parks carry around you'll notice a very un mountain dew foam head. That's just urine... (dont look at me like that... it's a long walk to the bathrooms and I could lose my nymphing run! Why do you think I was so concerned about the cameras?) cricket.c21.com
Outside Bend Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I honestly don't know a whole lot about the situation, but maybe the private liveries are getting a bit of a free ride? DNR pays for maintenance, trash service, latrine service, law enforcement...the private liveries profit from the access, without paying any of the associated costs. Maybe? <{{{><
eric1978 Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 If I were a park dweller, I would be happy to hear this news. And anything that decreases the number of party floaters or makes their access to the river more difficult, no matter how insignificant, is A-OK in my book. And why should a private livery get to financially benefit from taxpayer dollars? If they want a convenient access point, may I suggest they buy some property along the river or share access with another private livery? The parks are for the public's use, not for private enterprise and profit.
stlfisher Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 That's pretty crazy. So you'd have to carry an unopened beer from your vehicle to a "safe zone"..... but you wouldn't be able to carry the empty can/bottle back ? Whaddaya do now? There ya are stuck in legal limbo .... standing there holding a bottle for all eternity. lol. That is crazy. I never knew you weren't suppossed to drink in certain areas. I usually keep a beer or two in my waders and drink when needed.
Justin Spencer Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 The parks are for the public's use, not for private enterprise and profit. I think they should have to pay to launch to help with upkeep. I believe in this situation there is a concessionaire there running the park for the state that takes care of everything and can also make money that he gets to keep. Not sure if he rents canoes as well, but this could be part of the issue with other outfitters using a park he takes care of. On rivers with very little public land (which I don't know anything about the Niangua)without these parks there might be nowhere to put people in. I think that parks should be allowed to be used by outfitters, but for a fee. This serves the public and many people who can't afford, or don't want to mess with owning there own watercraft. "The problem with a politician’s quote on Facebook is you don’t know whether or not they really said it." –Abraham Lincoln Tales of an Ozark Campground Proprietor Dead Drift Fly Shop
Members lovetofish Posted February 11, 2012 Members Posted February 11, 2012 I can say that Bennett Spring is a good-ol-boy system made up of JD Mushany, Jim Rodgers and the senior Ranger David Snyder. Call and talk to them and they blame the others but work to keep each others jobs. Those rules have been there for a long time. If the state takes taxes from us then it should be open to anyone to use and anyone can pick up anyone from the park. I am for a user fee and not from a tax to pay for the parks. The boat ramp was paid for by taxes therefore anyone should be able to use it. Should local resorts be able to advertise? No but then again no one should including Jim Rodgers who has been given the consessions for to many years and now is in bed with the park. Time for some letter to the State Parks and our reps.
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